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  •  You owe me a new keyboard for the... (4+ / 0-)

    ....first sentence of that last paragraph. My current one is covered with orange juice.

    Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:13:23 PM PST

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    •  Actually, MB, (2+ / 0-)
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      bluicebank, Eric Nelson

      bluicebanks' comments in this entire thread are simply phenomenal.  I hope you don't miss them all.

      Cover your monitor!

      Where have all the mainstream Republicans gone? Apparently they're working for the Democrats in DC.---James Kresnik

      by ohmyheck on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:35:40 PM PST

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    •  The problem is that religious moderates (2+ / 0-)
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      radarlady, Hopeful Skeptic

      have read the bible, they just ignore the parts they don't like.

      It's incredibly frustrating to hear Christians claim that anyone who actually believes what the bible says and disagrees with their theology is somehow "not a Christian," implying that their faith has nothing to do with their beliefs.

      The old testament DOES command that homosexuals, women who aren't virgins on their wedding day, people who wear clothing with more than 1 fabric and anyone who works on Saturdays MUST BE STONED TO DEATH. It says it in black and white.

      Now you can choose to ignore this using some kind of tortured theological logic, but then either god made a mistake or people changed his word, in which case the bible isn't reliable.

      And before you explain how Jesus changed things, Jesus also said:

      "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it."

      He also said that "every jot and tittle of the law must be obeyed.

      So ask yourself "who is the true believer?" The ones who read the books and believe WHAT THEY ACTUALLY SAY, or those of you who ignore most of the bible but believe because it makes you feel good?

      •  I am assuming this is not actually... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...addressed to me since I have read several English, one Spanish and one German translation of the Bible, but am not a believer.

        Don't tell me what you believe. Tell me what you do and I'll tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:50:53 PM PST

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      •  There are many flaws in your argument (0+ / 0-)

        among them, the implicit assumption that "every jot and tittle of the law must be obeyed" means that the law can't be changed.

        No, I'm not a believer either; but I do think that the Bible offers at least as much support to the moderates as it does to the extremists.

        Even though our dream is not yet completed... we are not quitters... and we are not through. Ty'Sheoma Bethea

        by Nowhere Man on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 05:50:36 AM PST

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    •  Argument by analogy. (2+ / 0-)
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      figbash, Nowhere Man

      It was Jesus' favorite.

      One must speak the lingo.

      You don't want to get me near a group of the far Right dominionists or whatever they're calling themselves these days.

      Got my Bible and US Constitution memorized. I would say things. They would want to stone me. I would protect myself with Strong's Concordance and the Federalist Papers.

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