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  •  How about telling them they missed their (14+ / 0-)

    chance to do a deal and going ahead and passing the Obama Middle Class Tax Cut without them?

    Seriously, this is ridiculous.

    Democrats have got to get their acts together here.

    •  Democrats do have their acts together. (8+ / 0-)

      They have successfully created the impression that they oppose what the Republicans want to do. They do not.

      Obama and Reid are not caving on tax cuts for the rich. Their opposition is pure pretense.

      Barack Obama: Ignores his legal obligation to prosecute people who tortured prisoners to death. Good at photo ops, though.

      by expatjourno on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:05:12 PM PST

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      •  It is hard to argue that you are wrong in the (12+ / 0-)

        face of mounting evidence supporting your theory.

        Really hard.

      •  I don't know what else it could be.... (1+ / 0-)
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      •  Sad to say that Gibbs' statement actually (7+ / 0-)

        supports your theory.

        He is:

        a) making excuses for the Republicans; and
        b) announcing a date that in legislative terms is quite close to the end of this session.

        "Oh well," they say, "the Republican Leadership couldn't fit us into their busy schedule to discuss a hugely important tax issue to the majority of Americans and the future of this country.  Bummer.  We'll do it later."

        Meanwhile, this thing should have been dealt with ages ago when we knew we were going to lose big in the House - that is IF the Obama Administration didn't want to extent the rich people tax cut - but if they do want to extend it - this approach is WAY better for them because they can blame the Republicans for "forcing" Obama to sign their dirty and destructive legislation in the next term.

        It is pretty disgusting if you read it that way and not unreasonable to do so at this point, imo.

        •  GOP Goes from Party of No to Party of Escargot. (1+ / 0-)
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          If you can't kill it, make it go slower than the human eye can see.  

          If they can't see it move, people will think it's dead.  

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          by Into The Woods on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:22:29 PM PST

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          •  Look, the bottom line is that they are (1+ / 0-)
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            fucking brilliant strategists.

            All of the idiots who danced on the Republican Party's grave in 2008/2009 were IDIOTS of the first order.

            When they lost in 2008, they adjusted - and quickly - the Democrats did NOT take them seriously.  The Democrats thought that they could get away with IGNORING voters' anger and angst with respect to the economy.  Democrats screwed themselves here and pretending otherwise will continue to limit the Democrats' political fortune.

            The rest of us will have to wait for the Republicans to start a few more wars, steal more money from the middle class, destroy more working class people and wait for global warming to really fucking hurt people before the Democrats might have a chance at getting another shot - and we'll find that this particular lot in the elected Democratic caucus is filled with people who are either Republicans or fucking wimps of the first order and won't do a damn thing to save this country.

            This is very, very tiresome for a life long Democrat like myself.  The brand used to mean something to me.  More and more I am finding less and less that I can support or believe in.

            •  It's even simpler (1+ / 0-)
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              Democrats thought that 2006 and 2008 was about the American people rising up and falling in love with Democrats and their policies.

              The fact was they hated Bush and the GOP in charge.

              Democrats continue to beleive that Americans think about this shit and weigh government and politics rationally.  That is not the case and it never has been.

              In 1956, Adlai Stevenson was told "you've got the thinking man's vote, Mr. Stevenson!"

              He replied: "That's not enough, I need a majority."

              Does anyone think our politics has gotten more reasoned and rational over the last 50-60 years?

              God it's so painful that something that's so close, is still so far out of reach. Tom Petty/Al Gore

              by Velvet Revolution on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:15:10 PM PST

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            •  No, the GOP is playing the Washington Generals. (1+ / 0-)
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              Today's Democrats, like the Harlem Globetrotters' hapless opponents, are scripted to lose. That doesn't make the Republicans brilliant strategists.

              Democrats could have prosecuted Republicans for torture. Could have held gearings on the lying that got us into the Iraq war. Could have advocated a much bigger stimulus and then blamed Republicans for making it too small to do the job. Could have forced votes on all kinds of embarrassing things.

              And so on.

              They did NONE of those those things. NONE. Not. One.

              For two years, they did NOTHING to make life difficult for Republicans.

              NOTHING.

              NOTHING!

              It doesn't take a political genius to see the ways the Democrats could have stepped on the Republicans' necks. If people like me were pointing this out two years ago, the ways for the Democrats to press their advantage must have been bleeding obvious to the political professionals.

              Barack Obama: Ignores his legal obligation to prosecute people who tortured prisoners to death. Good at photo ops, though.

              by expatjourno on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:52:40 PM PST

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              •  Again, I really have no concrete way of (1+ / 0-)
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                discounting your points based on the evidence we have before us.

                And even if you are wrong, I think that it is important for the Democrats to get real about what conclusions people will draw if they keep going on the track that they have chosen.

                The reality is that even if they are the most corrupt and screwed up people in the history of this country, there is still a possibility that being found out will force them to change - at least for a time - and that is better than nothing during the time when we are searching for better representation and more honorable individuals to join the ranks of the Federal government.

                •  Thanks, I think you get what I'm trying to do. (1+ / 0-)
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                  And even if you are wrong, I think that it is important for the Democrats to get real about what conclusions people will draw if they keep going on the track that they have chosen.

                  Exactly.

                  Barack Obama: Ignores his legal obligation to prosecute people who tortured prisoners to death. Good at photo ops, though.

                  by expatjourno on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:32:39 PM PST

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            •  We're still looking for "rules" for this knife (2+ / 0-)
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              fight.  

              Butch and Sundance know better.

              http://www.youtube.com/...

              1-2-3 Go.  

              Repeal the Decriminalization of Naked Credit Default Swaps (Bucket Shops) http://www.marketskeptics.com/2010/06/bucket-shops.html

              by Into The Woods on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:53:17 PM PST

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