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  •  I Can See WHY The Democrats Are Being Fired (24+ / 0-)

    This is not leadership.  This is not governing.

    Who do these "Democrats" represent?  Certainly not me.

    •  I agree (12+ / 0-)

      This party is pointless if it can't even get tx cuts for the wealthy to expire like they are supposed to.  I see absolutely no reason at all not to press for everything they want right now.

      Then, I could see no reason not to do it the last two years too.

      Use every procedural rule there is to get what you want.  Since they got beat anyway, what was the upside to being "civil?"

      I want a Democratic Party that actually seems to care about their principles enough to fight hard.

      •  This is so true! (2+ / 0-)
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        This party is pointless if it can't even get tx cuts for the wealthy to expire like they are supposed to.

        How is it possible to screw this up? They don't actually have to do anything to win!

        Even Bob Johnson's Bot is tired of this shit. Please stop whatever it is that you are doing that angers it. Thank you.

        by nippersdad on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:03:47 PM PST

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      •  I'm getting close to giving up activism, frankly. (4+ / 0-)

        I'm sick to death of having to call all the time and beg and plead for these people to do the right thing. Not a day goes by without an inbox full of ZOMG EMERGENCY CALL NAO NAO NAO TO STOP KITTEH BURNING LEGISLATION!!!!!! The legislation usually is genuinely and obviously horrible, but by that very token I shouldn't have to point that out to professional goddam legislators who were hired to be on top of this stuff.

        It's a representative democracy, and not a direct one because someone has to do all the other work the country needs to get done. They're supposed to look out for us without having to be wheedled on every fucking issue. There's always going to be issues that are borderline and require persuasion, but when I have to beg and plead for Democrats to hold onto a glimmering of sanity, not to blow $700,000,000,000 holes in the already enormous deficit for nothing worthier than tax cuts for the richest of the rich people (people who aren't ever, ever, ever going to support Democratic policies or politicians), it gets very hard to fill in my personal enthusiasm gap.

        One nation, indivisible.

        by Doctor Frog on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 05:06:03 PM PST

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        •  Maybe you should just switch parties with me (0+ / 0-)

          to whatever comes along that is to the left of the Democrats, who are now to the right of any Republicans since Reagan. I am ready for change I can believe in and I will not be fooled again.

        •  Part of the civic bargain... (1+ / 0-)
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 a representative government like ours is that it encourages--but doesn't demand--engagement that goes beyond just voting. And I don't intend to not calling and yapping when something pisses me off, or when they come a'begging.

          But I'm tiring of the lie that if only we'd tried a little harder, and made a few more phone calls, we'd have gotten legislative wins. I resent like hell having called members of Congress about a public option for months after it was already dead because of the handshake deals. I resent that I have to remind the Democratic Party that cutting Social Security or extending tax cuts for the rich are not the reasons for which we elected them.

    •  Harry Truman said it 60 years ago, (5+ / 0-)

      Given the choice between voting for Republicans or Democrats behaving like Republicans, voters will coose the real thing.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 04:43:18 PM PST

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