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  •  So why the hell (33+ / 0-)

    didn't they do this BEFORE the election?

    Honestly - if they just forgot about the damn elections and did what their constituents made perfectly clear they WANTED them to do, maybe they'd still be in control.

    ARRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

    •  On the bright side... (3+ / 0-)
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      the fact that the rethugs how have control of the House will give the country an inside view of how they will govern, or not, should they make a real run of the White House in 2012. So, this could be a good thing, especially if silly sarah gets the nomination. Keep the faith.

      •  SHOULD give the country an "inside view" (9+ / 0-)

        of how the GOP works.

        Excuse me, but shouldn't the American people know already?

        They don't, you say?

        This is like praising Americans for cutting off their nose to spite their face.

        I would have thought it would be BETTER to avoid as much republican control as possible to keep them from fucking up our lives any further.

        I don't want to exist in a half-assed reality when a real, good, and proper reality IS possible and ONLY prevented by GOP ill will and Democratic commitment to compromising with failure.

        Yes. I know this diary is about dems accomplishing something - the question is HOW DID THEY do something right and make it stick?

        There are all sorts of things this country needs that the Dems need to make happen.

        Obviously they can - how we can get them to do it all the time is probably still a mystery.

        America legalized torture before they legalized marijuana.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 08:20:54 AM PST

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      •  We have already had that. (6+ / 0-)

        It was called (variously) the "Bush/Cheney Regime".

        We know how they work.  A reminder should not be necessary.

        My life is an open book, and I want a rewrite!

        by trumpeter on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 09:38:13 AM PST

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        •  Those who keep up with reality know (1+ / 0-)
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          Those who watch a lot of television have their minds filled with misinformation and empty "information".  And that would be most Americans:

          The report, issued Monday and covering the last three months of 2008, shows that the average American television viewer is watching more than 151 hours of television per month -- an "all-time" high -- up from more than 145 hours during the same period the previous year, Nielsen said.

          The increase in television watching is part of a long-term trend, said Nielsen spokesman Gary Holmes.

          There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

          by geomoo on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:45:26 AM PST

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          •  Oops. Those who watch television DON'T KNOW nt (0+ / 0-)

            There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

            by geomoo on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 10:51:35 AM PST

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          •  Well gee (2+ / 0-)
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            when you're not working and don't have any money, TV is your only escape.

            You want those viewing hours to go down, get people some JOBS.

            •  "TV is your only escape" (1+ / 0-)
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              Very sad.  You are saying that most of the country has no idea what to do with their own time.  No wonder the word "freedom" has lost most of its meaning.  It's either working for someone who tells them what to do or watching television.  That's all most people can come up with.  So. very. sad.

              I disagree vehemently.  Television is an addiction, just like drugs.  As you acknowledge, it's an escape, just like drugs.  Imo, it's a national scourge, just like drugs.  Addiction to television is a prime reason corporations can get away with shipping jobs overseas while pinning the blame for the resultant poverty on those who fight for the working class.

              There is nothing reasonable being discussed as solutions to any of our problems. - pgm 01

              by geomoo on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 12:31:37 PM PST

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              •  I think what mmacdDE meant was that (2+ / 0-)
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                people are depressed -- months spent looking and not finding a job, or finding a job that pays much less than the one lost, maybe knowing you're going to lose your house and there's nothing you can do about it -- all of that would certainly make people depressed.  Depression can make people who are otherwise energetic and creative exhausted and indifferent.  People in that state probably watch huge amounts of television.
                I know and understand this because when I was at the end of a bad marriage many many years ago, I just didn't feel like doing anything.  I couldn't find anything of interest, my future seemed dismal, and I dragged around doing as little as possible.  After a therapist helped me out of the marriage, it was amazing how different things looked to me.  It was as though a curtain had been drawn on a whole new world.

                If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

                by Tamar on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 12:50:51 PM PST

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              •  I often see (1+ / 0-)
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                young people on facebook or craigslist moaning about how bored they are.

                To me, that's just an indication that they have no imagination.  it has likely been leached out of them by the idiot box.

                My life is an open book, and I want a rewrite!

                by trumpeter on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 02:57:59 PM PST

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    •  To let the Repubs win. (4+ / 0-)
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      I dare anybody to come up with a better answer.

      America legalized torture before they legalized marijuana.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 08:17:17 AM PST

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      •  To make them put their $$$ (0+ / 0-)

        where their mouths are. And to purge the Blue Dogs.

      •  Or perhaps they DID (0+ / 0-)

        have a bunch of progressive measures and accomplishments which were relentlessly downplayed by the same people who are now bigging up Dems.

        African American POV blog with no Naderish bs: weeseeyou.com

        by GN1927 on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:33:09 AM PST

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        •  Their messaging is so pathetic (0+ / 0-)

          we'd never know if they did.

          People can kiss dem ass all they want, it won't make the Dems fight any better.

          America legalized torture before they legalized marijuana.

          by xxdr zombiexx on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:42:11 AM PST

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          •  Perhaps the pathetic messaging (1+ / 0-)
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            starts at home.  The media has it in for Dems and this place has not consistently checked that, instead, piling on.  People looking for more consistency are really going to have to build up new spaces.  BlackWaterDog, for example, is commenting at the space in my sig.

            African American POV blog with no Naderish bs: weeseeyou.com

            by GN1927 on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:47:28 AM PST

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            •  hi, gn - just got the email and answered. (0+ / 0-)

              will keep checking back until we connect.

              and THANK you for the link to find bwd!  you have madem my day!  just asked if you had seen the debacle today (nov 20) about why she left.

              MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

              by edrie on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 06:26:33 PM PST

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        •  Well, they didn't. (1+ / 0-)
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          Yes, that new coat of paint on the Titanic's deckchairs is very appealing, but a) health care less accessible today than 2 years ago for more millions, b) bankers with the same ability to start a deeper crash than in '08, c) more people homeless than 2 years ago, d) more people jobless, e) more people on Food Stamps, f) more children in poverty, g) insurance rates gone up for almost everyone, h) actual health care quality deteriorating, i) accepting the nonsense about the deficit as a priority, j) continuation of suicidal, unaffordable wars (now talk of "in Afghan through 2014," expansion into Yemen, 'security tourists' in Iraq for a few more years, k) whistleblowers prosecuted, l) blackwater/xe given massive new contracts, m) a habit of pre-compromising before even negotiating, n) food and fuel prices growing rapidly, o) 77% reporting they live paycheck-to-paycheck when it was 44% 5 years ago, and 29% ten years ago... it goes on

          then you can add "Cat Food Commission" but not even a hint, not a hair of a "Job Commission." Nowhere. Not a discussion about working on the Demand side of the Economy. Nothing. Oh, let the Fed print up hundreds of billions, so they can lend it to banks, who will then bid up stocks and the prices to drive up the cost of food and commodities. While money keeps getting invested in foreign businesses.

          2 million about to be thrown into utter poverty as Unemployment Benefit Extensions are not even talked about...

          For starters.

          Look, do truly effective good, you get support. Do "good" within the confines of our lunatic and absent-real-Americans conventional wisdom, then compare that to the objective situation of people, then see how you weigh it.

          This ain't the prosperous, powerful 1990s anymore. Here, on earth, actual reality beats spin every time when it comes to people knowing if their position in life is better or worse.

          Address that, hooray for you. Let it slide, ... not so much.

          Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

          by Jim P on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 12:52:18 PM PST

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          •  I thought this was the real POV, lol (1+ / 0-)
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            not real kudos, but "new coat of paint on the Titanic's deckchairs."  

            Anyone who thought that we were going to climb out from the worst economic disaster since the Depression in a year and a half is highly mistaken.  Dems are doing nothing now than what they've been doing all along: struggling to get some reforms put in place in the context of a toxic media climate featuring a citizenry as uninformed and propagandad as during the runup to the Iraq War, an opposition party operating at historically unprecedented levels of bad faith, and a party in which there is no internal consensus.  Some of the reforms are utterly great (16 million strong expansion of Medicaid; preservation of the UAW), some are not so great (lackluster foreclosure relief), and everything in between.  Same as always.  Today's face is that Dems did great; tomorrow's face will be Dems as selloutprostitutionwhores.

            I guess that my delusions must include the stimulative cash for clunkers and first time homebuyers tax credits, recovery act spending, and expansion of the safety net to encourage consumer spending because as you assert, there has been no discussion at all, much less action, to encourage consumer demand.

            Why don't you put your comment in your diary so that people can understand the entirety of your views and that this development is merely throwing a can of paint on the Titanic rather than part and parcel of a wideranging effort at comprehensive reforms?

            I keep saying, people need to think about dkos...

            African American POV blog with no Naderish bs: weeseeyou.com

            by GN1927 on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 01:17:15 PM PST

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            •  Hey my kid made out on the home thing (0+ / 0-)

              and the cash-for-clunkers. It's very good for her.

              But in the same time, I count 16 stores in my neighborhood, some here for 20 years and more, out of business. Here's what's opened in their stead: 1 Bank, 1 Drugstore, 1 Pawn Shop. The neighborhood's first.

              And you jumped right over the line I put there expressly for your attention:

              Look, do truly effective good, you get support. Do "good" within the confines of our lunatic and absent-real-Americans conventional wisdom, then compare that to the objective situation of people, then see how you weigh it.

              Everyone has their own world, I guess, but in mine you don't have a rigid purity which insists you can see only one aspect of a matter.

              When there's something good you try to turn it into a trend. When there's something bad you try to stop it from going on. Not really very complex, when you think about it.

              This positive things you mention, they're good while they last. But it's happening in a bigger picture, and if you think the people with good things are feeling secure about it, I think you might be wrong on that.

              See, you start with "Do I take Bush appointees and Republican-types who caused the mess to fix the mess, or do I take the sane people who predicted the mess?" and from there you have two distinctly different things going on. One which is curative, and one which is palliative.

              Consider:

              STIGLITZ: We Have To Throw Bankers In Jail Or The Economy Won't Recover
                 As economists such as William Black and James Galbraith have repeatedly said, we cannot solve the economic crisis unless we throw the criminals who committed fraud in jail.

                 And Nobel prize winning economist George Akerlof has demonstrated that failure to punish white collar criminals – and instead bailing them out- creates incentives for more economic crimes and further destruction of the economy in the future. See this, this and this.

                 Nobel prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz just agreed.

              imo, you're time would be better spent in considering the reality of our condition and what you can tell DC about it, than whether a petty blogger is pure enough for you in their enthusiasms. But of course, as you will.

              Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

              by Jim P on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 08:12:19 PM PST

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              •  PS Oh, and 6 places I used to go (0+ / 0-)

                to get my income are also out of business.

                But I'm happy my kid got some benefits at the same time.

                See? Two different things, yet both true.

                Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

                by Jim P on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 08:14:15 PM PST

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    •  The House has passed 420 bills (7+ / 0-)

      that are stalled in the Senate.

      Money is not speech. Corporations are not people.

      by Benintn on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 08:20:08 AM PST

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      •  I do realize that (0+ / 0-)

        but they didn't do much after September.

        Which is a shame, because the stuff they DID do (and that died in the Senate) was pretty much forgotten by then.

        What do you think would have happened if the House had passed this in October and sent it to the Senate? Do you think it would have died there, or that it wouldn't have been publicized at all?

        But noooooo... they were too worried about pissing off the money people in BOTH parties to do anything that might please the actual VOTERS.

        Very, very, short sighted.

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