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  •  How about the city of Boston... (0+ / 0-)

    ...who gave a 19% salary increase to firefighters this year in exchange for submitting to drug and alcohol testing?

    Or the state of New Jersey, where the average police officer is paid 80% more than the average citizen, averaging over $90k per year?

    Besides, yes those people are being forced to take unpaid leave, but what is their salary/benefits/job security compared to comparable private sector jobs?

    (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
    Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

    by Sparhawk on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 08:59:30 AM PST

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    •  Private sector jobs suck for the most part. (0+ / 0-)

      No job security, fire at will, screw people out of their benefits.

      Why should that be the norm?

      We have a situation where some RX company is closing a factory to make their quarterly report look good and you're saying "that should be the standard for everybody" ?

      I, for one, welcome our new hillbilly overlords.

      by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:02:12 AM PST

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        We have a situation where some RX company is closing a factory to make their quarterly report look good and you're saying "that should be the standard for everybody"?

        Yes. Public sector salaries, benefits, and job security should roughly mirror that of the private sector (obviously there might be some tradeoff, for example, less pay and more job security). However, compensation should be roughly equivalent or else it's just a free giveaway from those with jobs that "suck for the most part" to those with good jobs, and the people with jobs that suck just pay more and get no extra benefit.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:05:15 AM PST

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        •  Military pay and beneifts are better than private (0+ / 0-)

          Should we lower them too?

          I, for one, welcome our new hillbilly overlords.

          by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:06:04 AM PST

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          •  Possibly (0+ / 0-)

            But probably not, because the military has extra hardships involved that require compensation. I'm talking about total compensation here, which means:

            - Pay
            - Benefits
            - Time off
            - Job security
            - How dangerous your job is
            - What kinds of personal sacrifices your job entails
            - The skill set required to do your job
            - For teachers, the fact that they can't take arbitrary vacation means higher compensation
            - (Other factors too)

            Add all these up to get your total compensation.

            (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
            Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

            by Sparhawk on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:10:18 AM PST

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            •  And cops and firefighters don't? (0+ / 0-)

              Some of them don't even know if they'll come home alive on any given night.

              I, for one, welcome our new hillbilly overlords.

              by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:11:13 AM PST

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            •  And, you know, in this economy you can get... (0+ / 0-)

              ...soldiers real cheap, especially if you ease the rules against gang bangers and what not.

              If lowering the quality of worker doesn't bother you for city jobs why should it bother you for military jobs?

              I, for one, welcome our new hillbilly overlords.

              by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:13:16 AM PST

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              •  It does bother me (0+ / 0-)

                I think you need to hire qualified workers. For as cheap as you can reasonably get them. That's the obligation of a public servant to the taxpayers they represent.

                (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
                Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

                by Sparhawk on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:15:08 AM PST

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    •  19 percent over four years. (0+ / 0-)

      Don't lie if you want to continue this debate.

      I, for one, welcome our new hillbilly overlords.

      by Bush Bites on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:03:35 AM PST

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      •  It wasn't a lie (1+ / 0-)
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        Yes, 19% over four years, which is a 4-5% raise per year.

        Name any private sector workers (especially in the Boston area) who have a guaranteed 4-5% raise for the next four years.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:06:44 AM PST

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      •  It is not a lie. They got that in exchange for (0+ / 0-)

        drug testing, AFTER two firemen died in a fire. The firmen could not find their way out. One was drunk, the other had cocaine in his system. Routinely, fire and police are arrested by other agencies for driving drunk, dealing drugs in other states, domestic violence. That is truth.

        I received a phone call poll, the subject was do I trust the police and fire department. I verified that it was a call center two ways before I answered any questions.

    •  Boston police and fire are unspeakable greedy (1+ / 0-)
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      racist bastards, who have left female firefighters in danger, the police shot and otherwise harm dark skinned members of their own department. Coverups are ongoing. The police sleep in their cars when working-observed personally, firemen go to work drunk-observed personally, Afro-American teenage boys are treated abusively when they are suspected of something, or are being arrested-observered personally.

      In each instance I have reported to several agencies, media, especially where I could do so anon.

      The good ole Irish network rules.

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