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  •  Ah. (1+ / 0-)
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    Whereas I think of duty, as doing what's right, regardless of personal return or what other people think should be done, which is really the same thing, since other people's esteem is a reward.

    •  Okay... that's a good clarification... (1+ / 0-)
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      of where we differ on this.  The movie critic Michael Medved, who I believe to consider himself a conservative, said that conservatives believe in doing your duty while liberals believe in following your heart.  I think it is an interesting framing, though over-simplified of course.

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      by leftyparent on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:53:55 AM PST

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      •  I thinking that is giving conservatives too much (0+ / 0-)

        credit and liberals too little.  I guess I see the fundamental difference as being conservatives do what's right for themselves, their family and their country(emphasis on me , mine ,ours), liberals do what is right for we , us and sometimes them, in spite of the fact that it might not be the best result for me or mine.  Conservatives are inner directed and liberals are other directed.  

        "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

        by lakehillsliberal on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 01:11:06 PM PST

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        •  That would certainly be a framing that gives... (0+ / 0-)

          liberal more credit and conservatives less.  But I think there is truth there in "us and them" vs "just us" framing.  The first being more what I would call hierarchical (or patriarchal) and the later more egalitarian.

          But I resonate with the duty vs heart dichotomy more than you do.  The former has to do with respecting external authority, while the latter, ones internal compass perhaps contributing equally to a group consensus.

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          by leftyparent on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 01:32:44 PM PST

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          •  I guess I define duty a little differently and (0+ / 0-)

            perhaps that is the fundamental disagreement we have.  Duty is about sacrificing your own welfare(and maybe even that of your family) for the greater good.  I do not see that in the makeup of most conservatives.

            "When fascism comes to America, it'll be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis

            by lakehillsliberal on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 01:43:03 PM PST

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