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  •  Yes, good point. (2+ / 0-)
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    Val, Siri

    They would certainly like to be working though, and in a larger sense I imagine they see themselves as "working people" rather than as deadbeats.

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    by Anima on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 08:14:54 PM PST

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    •  You are very good at explaining things. (3+ / 0-)
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      concernedamerican, Anima, Siri

      I wish more Democrats in Washington had your skills.

    •  I think that's the crux of it (3+ / 0-)
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      It's fighting back against the "welfare queen" stereotype that Republicans are always trying to fasten on Dems. "Working" as opposed to mooching off the government. It's a stupid stereotype and untrue, but that's the reason Democrats couch everything in terms of "working," "Earned" Income Tax Credit, people who "play by the rules," etc. Wingers have an obsession with "their" money going to what they see as the "undeserving" poor. Hence, Dems always stress how deserving the people they are trying to assist are. Perhaps it's not a good idea to react to stereotyping because it allows the other side to frame issues, but I think that's the genesis of the whole "working families" theme, a desire not to be seen as the party that caters to lazy welfare chiselers.

      If you spend any time with right wingers, you can understand why Dems felt that framing was necessary. They really are obsessed to the point of ridiculousness with the notion that the government wants to take their "hard-earned" tax dollars and give it to people who haven't "earned" it (and they ALWAYS assume the undeserving part, no matter who it is or how carefully targeted the aid or stringent the conditions and even if their own income comes largely from a government source).

      And they believe this and vote on this basis no matter how much they hurt the overall economy or even their own personal welfare with that attitude. I think the whole "working families" bit has less to do with a shoutout to unions than with fighting this Republican framing. Even with the obvious notion that to collect unemployment, by the very definition, the recipient would have to have been employed, Republicans still demonize recipients as lazy grifters.

      •  That is a great explanation. (0+ / 0-)

        I truly never thought about it that way. My issue with the term is that it excludes so many families -- those in which the parents aren't working either because they can't find a job, are disabled, or retired -- that I wish the Dems would stop using it and just say "families." I don't think the "working" helps.

        It's like the phrase "special interests" that they're always throwing around. How could something that's "special" be so bad? Why can't they just say "bribers" or "large corporations that expect big favors in return for the money they gave candidate X."

      •  The core of the Republican ideology.... (0+ / 0-)

        They really are obsessed to the point of ridiculousness with the notion that the government wants to take their "hard-earned" tax dollars and give it to people who haven't "earned" it (and they ALWAYS assume the undeserving part, no matter who it is or how carefully targeted the aid or stringent the conditions and even if their own income comes largely from a government source).

        I try to stay away from politics with my brother and sisters but know that my brother is pretty much to the right.  He and his wife and I had a little conversation not long ago when all they did was complain about how state workers got all these undeserved benefits that they, themselves couldn't have because they were too expensive... and on.... and on.... and on....

        Until then I really didn't "get it."  After that, I did.

        If I don't know I don't know, I think I know. If I don't know I know, I think I don't know. -- R.D. Laing

        by figbash on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 07:43:50 AM PST

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        •  Because repukes starting with reagan (1+ / 0-)
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          destroyed private sector benefits. now they have public workers in their crosshairs, and it seems to be a winning strategy for them ( see Christie, Chris )

          •  What you say is the thruth with (1+ / 0-)
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            two capital Ts.

            I can hardly believe that we live in this upside-down, through-the-looking-glass Hell on earth in which our political system has, with the help military-industrial-media-anti-science, so-called Christian Coalition complex, has put us.

            But it stares me in the face every freaking day.  Some things make me glad to be old and that's damn sad.

            If I don't know I don't know, I think I know. If I don't know I know, I think I don't know. -- R.D. Laing

            by figbash on Sat Nov 20, 2010 at 09:36:13 AM PST

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    •  I think that's the crux of it (0+ / 0-)

      It's fighting back against the "welfare queen" stereotype that Republicans are always trying to fasten on Dems. "Working" as opposed to mooching off the government. It's a stupid stereotype and untrue, but that's the reason Democrats couch everything in terms of "working," "Earned" Income Tax Credit, people who "play by the rules," etc. Wingers have an obsession with "their" money going to what they see as the "undeserving" poor. Hence, Dems always stress how deserving the people they are trying to assist are. Perhaps it's not a good idea to react to stereotyping because it allows the other side to frame issues, but I think that's the genesis of the whole "working families" theme, a desire not to be seen as the party that caters to lazy welfare chiselers.

      If you spend any time with right wingers, you can understand why Dems felt that framing was necessary. They really are obsessed to the point of ridiculousness with the notion that the government wants to take their "hard-earned" tax dollars and give it to people who haven't "earned" it (and they ALWAYS assume the undeserving part, no matter who it is or how carefully targeted the aid or stringent the conditions and even if their own income comes largely from a government source).

      And they believe this and vote on this basis no matter how much they hurt the overall economy or even their own personal welfare with that attitude. I think the whole "working families" bit has less to do with a shoutout to unions than with fighting this Republican framing. Even with the obvious notion that to collect unemployment, by the very definition, the recipient would have to have been employed, Republicans still demonize recipients as lazy grifters.

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