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  •  Van Jones is a Major Disappointment (0+ / 0-)

    I wanted to like him, I really did. But I hear the same "blame the left" crap from him that I hear from the White House. It's hard for me to believe that he's the kind of liberal that ever fought for anything. He sure hasn't seemed to be on our side when it comes to fighting for Obama to do better. All I hear from him is how we should just appreciate the crumbs we are thrown.

    Not impressed.

    •  this was a pep talk (3+ / 0-)

      it would appear that you cannot be encouraged by the start of bringing us back.

    •  I do not hear him "blame the left" (5+ / 0-)

      I hear him rallying the troops. I think there are people on here who are misreading his speech the same way you are. Some are misreading it and using it as a cudgel against Obama's critics.

      We are on a battlefield and our side has just suffered a disastrous defeat. Doom and gloom is taking over and there is a need to refocus the attention of our forces, explain the reality of the situation AND encourage our folks to keep on struggling.

      I do not hear Van Jones saying we should rely upon Obama (or the Democrats as a whole) to solve our problems for us. I hear him saying we have to organize to fight for our own interests, looking around to see who are our allies and who are our enemies in the circumstances we face. And to NOT turn on each other or give in to despair.

      A spiel of this sort does not conflict with the need to figure out "what went wrong" or "why did the Democrats lose so badly?"

      In my view, Obama is clearly a "corporatist" Democrat. But what does that diagnosis tell us? Does it mean he is an enemy who has to be denounced, primaried or abandoned for a quixotic third party candidate? No. He is, given the current array of forces, an unsteady, unreliable ally who shares SOME common interests with us and who cannot be abandoned as presidential candidate because reality provides us no productive alternative path.

      For me, the focus has to be on building the progressive wing of the Democratic Party as a semi-autonomous force. An alliance within an alliance. I see nothing in Jones' remarks which works against that strategy.

      "... if I can lead you into the promised land someone else can just as easily lead you back out again." --Eugene Debs

      by Shliapnikov on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:51:49 AM PST

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      •  exactly (3+ / 0-)

        this has to start with the education of the people ... that would render the astroturf ads harmless (or at least relatively so).  One good thing to do is to help people recognize astroturf organization ads.  It's not like corporations have a high approval rating after all. If people knew that the supposed "grassroots" ad is being paid for by an org. that is funded by special interest corporations, that would be an excellent help.

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