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  •  Probably the analysis I agree most with (13+ / 0-)

    that I've yet read here about the messaging issue and what happened there. WE long didn't believe the GOP would be what it is today, and we're highly skeptical by nature around here. Yet we never saw the rise of the wingnuts to this degree, the real danger that is Sarah Palin (and she is), the reelection of Bachmann, the extent of the Democratic losses in the last election, the reason to support Crist over Meek (which is ideologically still repugnant), SB1070, the outright levels of GOP Party racism, which had previously been better-veiled. I'd say we thought we were dealing with the party of McCain, for all his fucked up qualities, when we were really dealing with Rand Paul's ilk.

    Things have been stated openly by the GOP in the past two years that I never believed were possible.

    We were shocked when they tried to impeach Clinton for a sex scandal. And yet now they want to depart legally born children of immigrants. That's kind of a switch I didn't see coming.

    So thanks for this, because this is a pretty reasonable analysis of what seemed to break down.

    "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." -- MLK Jr.

    by mahakali overdrive on Sat Nov 27, 2010 at 05:30:39 PM PST

    •  Sorry, not really, many here saw it coming (n/t) (4+ / 0-)
      •  Some did, but not enough did (6+ / 0-)

        The election losses were generally predicted as lower, many definitely thought Bachmann would lose, many didn't understand Kos' support of Crist, and few wanted to talk about racism in a very serious way. Many continue to say the Tea Party is "no big deal." My point is that the GOP IS the Tea Party, whether or not they call it that openly. We talked mainly about an African-American enthusiasm gap for this last election. At least in my recollection. It may have shifted between July to November, when I was offline here. But otherwise, I didn't see this get discussed with the same level of awareness as it is being discussed right now.

        Not here, and not in the real world neither.

        Mainly, we kvetched about Blue Dogs and Lieberman. With an occasional pot shot at Palin or Orly Taitz. We kind of backed off a serious, good hard analysis of what the fuck the GOP was up to. Or I should say back-burnered it.

        "Human salvation lies in the hands of the creatively maladjusted." -- MLK Jr.

        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Nov 27, 2010 at 05:42:09 PM PST

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      •  I don't think the "no-one could have predicted" (1+ / 0-)
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        argument is particularly salient. People were shooting bipartisanship from the beginning, but a lot of others actually thought that the whole "let's play nice with Republicans" was a moral stance to take, as a contrast between what Bush did to us.

        I also think liberals in general have a self-doubt subroutine programmed into them that compels them to seek conservative validation for what they think. Call it the myth of the Reasonable Conservative, if you will. So when you have a lot of people on the left seeking this ideal version of debate where Democrats and Republicans each take the "best" ideas out of their respective parties and apply them to solve government problems instead of finding the best ideas yourself, articulating and defending them, you end up with people not only unwilling to accept that the other side won't be bipartisan, but actively seeking validation from the other side as evidence that their point of view is right.

        by bhagamu on Sun Nov 28, 2010 at 12:33:40 AM PST

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