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  •  Some true some not (4+ / 1-)
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    #4--because everyone else had abolished slavery
    #5--doubtful, you need to travel more
    #6--not true and rather insulting to countries that were in WWI and WWII long before you
    #7-partially true
    #8--not even close. Amongst many others, my country Canada is way ahead of you with the longest history of this (e.g. French English accomodation).  You still haven't legalized gay marriage and DADT.
    #9--Those same persecuted groups have found freedom and prosperity in Australia, Canada, UK, etc etc.  Again, you need to travel more

    •  Hmm . . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      Slavery: not everyone, the Arab slave trade was still going strong, and in fact vestiges of it still exist to this day in some place.

      #5: By far. Name one that's even close.

      #6: What are you talking about? Countries in Europe were in WWI and WWII because they were invaded and attacked. Look at the countries around the world that owe their current status to blood shed by U.S. soldiers: All of Europe, Russia, Japan, South Korea. I know of no other major power that has consistently fought wars to free other people, then more or less left them to their own devices afterwards.

      #8: Maybe I should've specified racial conflict, because I was referring to the Civil Rights Movement, which has stood as a beacon and example of nonviolent struggle for racial equality all over the world.

      #9: Don't make assumptions, I've traveled lots (including many times to your fair country of Canada, where my wife is from), but as a Jew, I can tell you that any Jew will tell you that Jews have never known freedom, security, and prosperity as a minority group in any country in history the way that they've known it in America. Yes, Canada, the UK, and Australia also, but far more so in the U.S.

      •  I think this guy is a troll (0+ / 0-)

        He has no diaries and has only ever commented in this diary.  I find him rude, offensive, self-righteous, and insulting.  I think he is more interested in lobbing insults rather than to have political debate.  

        I've spent a lot of time abroad as well.  I have nothing against Europeans or Canadians and Mexicans, but I have a great love of my country and a great pride.  I'm not going to back down because of some self-righteous foreigner spouts of a bunch of half-truths.  

        No country is perfect and it's not as if we haven't had ugly scenes in our history or done bad things.  But let's face it, the United States elected a black man as its leader, Great Britain (and I love the Brits dearly) can't elect a Scot.  

        I've noticed too that there is also a fundamental difference with attitudes towards LGBT people.  Europeans by and large are far more tolerant towards LGBT people.  But for the most part, their tolerance is just that...tolerance.  It's couched in a belief in sexual privacy.  That's different from a belief in sexual orienation equality.  The idea that any person, regardless of their sexual orientation can rise to the top and live their lives freely and successfully.  Countries that are tolerant, like European countries (and like Canada and many Latin American countries) believe in tolerance and dignity where gay people aren't beaten, attacked, tortured, murdered, and imprisoned (as the Republican Party advocates) but where gays and lesbians are lesser beings.  Iceland is an obvious exception and Great Britain may be too.  That's a key sticking point for me.  As awful as Prop 8 is, I have to say that I'd much rather be with the 48% in California who believe in sexual orienation equality and believe that I am an equal citizen rather than live in Europe where people would treat me with "dignity."  

        The good guys don't always win every battle but I can say that are liberal traditions favor equality where we see people whether black or Jewish or gay as equals, not as people to be "tolerated."  

      •  Well (0+ / 0-)

        Slavery--I should have specified--more developed countries.  The British, French and most of Europe banned slavery long before the US civil war
        #5-more than is time to list but in addition to most Western countries, Suriname
        Countries in Europe were in the war because they were invaded or attacked?  Really.  Canada, Australia, India, New Zealand were not invaded or attacked
        Jews have known feedom....far more so in the US.  By what standard of measurement?  That's just an opinion backed up by nothing.

      •  #5 Name one or more (1+ / 0-)
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        How about Mauritius or Singapore for starters.

        "What has happened down here is the wind have changed. Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain"

        by senilebiker on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 02:03:01 AM PST

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      •  #6: The ANZACs (0+ / 0-)

        Australia / New Zealand Army Corps - Which shed a hell of a lot of their blood for the British Empire / Commonwealth.

        FOSI: Full Of Shit Information - Both my sister and I are trivia freaks...

        by Spoc42 on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 02:17:33 AM PST

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      •  #6 Again false (0+ / 0-)

        Britain and France entered worldwar 2 to defend Poland, as they had entered into a mutual defense treaty.

        Each country always spins history to its own advantage, and the idea that the US voluntarily stepped up to the plate in the WW2 to help out the others is blatantly and historically false.

        Have you forgotten about Pearl Harbour?

        "What has happened down here is the wind have changed. Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain"

        by senilebiker on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 02:32:45 AM PST

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    •  Oh, and I think Brazil abolished slavery (1+ / 0-)
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      later than the U.S. also.

    •  Uprated for unfounded TR (0+ / 0-)

      and agreement with most of the points.

      "What has happened down here is the wind have changed. Clouds roll in from the north and it started to rain"

      by senilebiker on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 02:01:53 AM PST

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    •  And SoCalLiberal continues (0+ / 0-)

      to troll-rate the same user for question his religious beliefs about "American Exceptionalism".

      A wonderful example of what Exceptionalism means. As I've said, it sounds an awful lot like the Soviet Union's Liberating Mission.

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