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  •  I think very few here... (13+ / 0-)

    ...have tried to hold up Zelaya as a hero.  What I personally think held the biggest hope for the poor would have been actually holding the constituent assembly -- and that's what made Zelaya unacceptable to the "ruling class."  You have to remember that he was one of them!  It was only when the real possibility of the constituent assembly arose (on the actual day of the non-binding referendum - convenient, that) that he had to be removed.

    And, yeah, the poor keep getting shat upon, like always.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." -- Dom Hélder Câmara

    by SLKRR on Sun Nov 28, 2010 at 07:22:47 PM PST

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    •  Right after the coup d'état, (2+ / 0-)
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      many people here did try to hold him up as a hero.  Hopefully now they're not.  

      He was and he wasn't a member of the ruling class.  In the same way that many here view Obama, and viewed Carter.  Yes, they were all elected, but they are also very different from the typical ruling class.

      I understand your thoughts about the biggest hope for the poor.  At the same time, the poor in Honduras need essentials like potable water, electricity, medical care and access to education.  There areas where people have to journey 100 miles or more to a medical clinic, and many of these clinics are built and run by non-profits.  Many do not have access to education beyond the 4th grade because they don't have the means to travel the miles to the schools.  In many, many cases, even if the children are close to schools their families can't afford the school uniforms.  As with the medical clinics, a good many of the schools are built by non-profits and uniforms are supplied by non-profits.  

      Random thoughts from a very tired mind.

      •  You are right (1+ / 0-)
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        You are right; many here did try to make him out as some sort of hero.  He was not; he was a self-styled cowboy and you would think that people in this country above all would know what it's like to have a cowboy president.  Micheletti was no better - really, they were two peas in a pod as far as I am concerned, but both are now off the stage.
        If people really want to make a difference in someone's life in Honduras, I would suggest spondoring a kid with a secular organization like CI.  $22 a month makes a huge difference.

        •  2 peas in whose pod. Zelaya helped the poor alot; (1+ / 0-)
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          He was transformed like Bobby Kennedy when he saw how the poor suffered.

          •  Ug (2+ / 0-)
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            moondance, erush1345

            Bobby Kennedy just rolled over in his grave.  I do not think he would find that comparison flattering at all.  What, do you think Zelaya had been living in Honduras for all those years and he never noticed the poor before?  As another poster said, some on this site wanted to view Zelaya as a hero; he was not.  He was simply power-hungry and wanted to try to remain in power using a familiar playbook.

            •  Bobby Kennedy apparently lived in the (1+ / 0-)
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              Phoenix Woman

              US his entire life and only started to notice the systematics of the system right toward the end of his life.

              Everyone is "simply power-hungry" if you want to reduce it to those terms. The story repeats exactly like that -- if you want to play that game, you can reduce Lincoln to a caudillo who happened to produce the side-effect of ending slavery.

              No one has good intent who rises to power, by your standards if applied fairly to every society. The point is structure, not personal morality.

          •  He grew up around the poor. (4+ / 0-)
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            Phoenix Woman, melo, SLKRR, greatdarkspot

            It's not as if he lived in a mansion and one day ventured out to the poor side of town.  There is hardly a road you can walk down that poverty doesn't smack you upside the head.  

            I have to say that Honduras is a most beautiful country, and its people are kind and gentle of spirit.

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