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  •  From the conclusion (1+ / 0-)
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    1. (C) The analysis of the Constitution sheds some

    interesting light on the events of June 28. The Honduran
    establishment confronted a dilemma: near unanimity among
    the institutions of the state and the political class that
    Zelaya had abused his powers in violation of the
    Constitution, but with some ambiguity what to do about it.
    Faced with that lack of clarity, the military and/or
    whoever ordered the coup fell back on what they knew -- the
    way Honduran presidents were removed in the past: a bogus
    resignation letter and a one-way ticket to a neighboring
    country. No matter what the merits of the case against
    Zelaya, his forced removal by the military was clearly
    illegal, and Micheletti's ascendance as "interim president"
    was totally illegitimate.

    My understanding of the situation is that there was basically a constitutional crisis where the other branches of government felt there was imminent danger of Zelaya dissolving congress and installing himself as a dictator. It sounds to me like they were able to carry out these actions in a panic without any help from us. Doesn't make it right, but often there are no right answers. It also doesn't necessarily mean the US orchestrated the entire thing.

    •  Imminent danger to the oligarchy, (4+ / 0-)
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      Marie, Sandino, poxonyou, protectspice

      not to the people.

      •  I think it's a terrifying thing for any leader (2+ / 0-)
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        to propose rewriting the constitution, particularly when it's such a popular template for grabbing power. There is alot of talk about abrogration of democracy in this instance -- but it's not clear to me the Zelaya's endgame would have been any better.

        •  I think the Honduras constitution sucks (5+ / 0-)
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          SLKRR, Marie, Sandino, poxonyou, protectspice

          It was written by the oligarchy. Are you suggesting it is something holy just because it is a constitution? Is that why you think it is terrifying?

          In any case, as far as presidential terms go in Latin American constitutions, I think there are a lot of problems. Heck, even our constitution is undemocratic in that way--we the people cannot elect who we want to govern us if it will be for a third term.

    •  Llorens discredits this interpretation completely (8+ / 0-)

      Llorens states that:

      1. (C) In our view, none of the above arguments has any substantive validity under the Honduran constitution. Some are outright false. Others are mere supposition or ex-post rationalizations of a patently illegal act.

      Proving that the US orchestrated it is well beyond the scope of this diary. I did write a 20,000 word five piece analysis explaining why it was likely that the US was involved. But this piece shows that while the US was providing material aid to a dictatorship, it was consciously aware that it had arisen by a military coup. It "established", i.e. placed on a firm basis, the dictatorship.  

    •  What a coincidence (2+ / 0-)
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      Marie, poxonyou

      your "understanding" jibes perfectly with the since-debunked right-wing propaganda line.  In the name of the people and constitution of Honduras, I thank you for your concern.

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