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  •  all tax cuts expire = obama loses period (0+ / 0-)

    doesn't matter what else he does in the next two years.  He could fulfill every progressives dreams but he'll still lose.  Just as well start looking for someone for 2016 in that case

    Why don't you just stop pretending and support a primary challenger already?

    by FleetAdmiralJ on Mon Nov 29, 2010 at 12:18:05 PM PST

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    •  I respectfully disagree n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      •  most americans think Obama raised their taxes (7+ / 0-)

        so he might as well make what they think reality, seems it's an issue that's out of his control anyway (he does have control, just let the rich tax cuts expire and do a new bill for middle class americans only, if repubs vote against it so be it).

        •  They only think that (0+ / 0-)

          because they didn't see anything from the tax cut last year. Remember that big tax cut? The one that got me maybe $30/mo?

          What people notice is when they get a bigger refund or have to pay less. Not a small blip in their take home pay. If the withholding tables had been left the same, people would have gotten a bigger refund, and then NOBODY would be thinking their taxes weren't cut.

          This is the same way. If it's a few dollars difference, nobody is going to even give a damn. Really, they won't. They'll barely notice.

    •  Only if he can't blame the GOP. (0+ / 0-)

      If it's the GOP's fault that the middle-class tax cuts expired, and Obama hammers that point home, we win.

      Formerly known as Jyrinx.

      “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

      by Code Monkey on Mon Nov 29, 2010 at 01:52:08 PM PST

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    •  that depends (0+ / 0-)

      how much are we talking about? How much per household, and at what income levels? Real amounts. Per year, preferably, so it can be broken down into so much per paycheck.

      And I'm assuming that it will be applied to 2011 income, not 2010? Which means that while people will see the change in withholding after Jan 1 (which may be very little, remember), they won't see how it affects their refund (if any) until 2012.

      Which also gives Congress time to change things before anybody has to do taxes in 2012.

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