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  •  Okay, I agree but I also think (0+ / 0-)

    we have to stop counting Indies as our base. They are not. They are Indies.  I think they play "Lucy" as much as the Conservadems.  

    "It's impossible to wake a man who is pretending to be asleep." - unknown

    by looking and listening on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 06:55:02 AM PST

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    •  it does us no good for the Party to (2+ / 0-)

      worry about getting or keeping the independents when the Party continually spits on its own base and can't keep it.

      That needs to change. First.

      It does us no good to win the indies if we have to become Republicans in order to do it. And it also simply doesn't work--if the indies want to vote for a Repug, they have REAL ones to vote for--they don't need us to provide them with a cheap imitation to vote for.

      If the Dem Party can't provide an ALTERNATIVE to the Repug Party, instead of a Lite imitation, then the Dem Party has no reason to exist at all, and indies have no reason to vote for it at all.

      The whole Clintonite "New Democrat" idea of chasing the Repugs to the right, has failed us utterly.

      It's time we became Dems again. The 2008 elections proved that people WANT Dems again---and the 2010 elections proved that we are utterly unable to provide any.

      •  Agreed. (0+ / 0-)

        What would be the basic ideal, mission to which all would agree?  That seems to be the major problem, IMHO, there's a lot of good ideals, but not one that unites us all. Everyone has their own agenda that causes the schism that we have today.

        The ideal of two parties may be too narrow for today's issues.

        Could be why some folks are saying government is trying to do too much for too many.  But where do the government draw the line? Should it get involved in health, but not safety? You get the point.

        "It's impossible to wake a man who is pretending to be asleep." - unknown

        by looking and listening on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 07:07:35 AM PST

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        •  two parties was never enough (1+ / 0-)
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          That's why every civilized country has many parties, with proportional representation.  Alas, as the US is NOT a civilized nation (after all, every civilized nation also has national health care), we are stuck working with what we have.

          But we ALREADY have a party platform that is, while not what I'd want to see, at least lots better than what the party is VOTING for.

          Let's start with that.

          If the party platform doesn't mean jackshit, and if people who don't back it (and indeed wo actively oppose it and vote against it) are let into the party anyway, then what good is having it? Why even bother having a platform?  Why not just declare "we want whatever we think the independents will vote for"?

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