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  •  well if there was ever a moment (1+ / 0-)
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    when the Senate could use some arm twisting from a popular former colleague, this would be that moment.

    As for that other VP, the less we have to think about him, the better......

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 06:58:21 AM PST

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    •  :lol: (1+ / 0-)
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      I hear ya. It passed through my mind after posting it.

      One thing I'd have to give Cheney, though, in addition to the only other thing I'd wanna give him... which is life in prison... is when he or his President wanted something... they got after it.

      Shame it was for such evil and criminal and corrupt and, well, no sense in reliving it all.

      Gotta "look forward, not backward"... ya know?

      More and Better Democrats

      by SJerseyIndy on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 07:11:20 AM PST

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      •  people on this site have been praising Bush (1+ / 0-)
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        and Cheney lately for their strong-arming techniques.  I'm not sure I want the President to act like a dictator.  Yes, we want commitment, we want a line drawn in the sand, we want pressure brought to bear on recalcitrant Senators and Congresspeople, we want some consequences for failing to get in line.  But we railed against Bush for running roughshod over the constitution and for his overuse of signing statements, and would probably praise Obama if he used them now.  

        Don't know the answer to that problem.....

        Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

        by SottoVoce on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 07:16:05 AM PST

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        •  The answer to that problem... (0+ / 0-)

          is to not run roughshod over the Constitution and act like a Dictator, which is in no way what I was suggesting and is not what a VP being in the body of which he is a President working with Dems is.

          But since you brought up running roughshod over the Constitution...

          How'd that FISA thing work out?

          Secret black sites and detainee abuse?

          Lists of names compiled for extra-judicial killings, to include Americans?

          THOSE are action s taken to run roughshod over a Constitution.

          Not a VP visiting the Senate.

          I was wondering how long it would take for someone to mischaracterize the comment.

          More and Better Democrats

          by SJerseyIndy on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 07:24:39 AM PST

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          •  geez (0+ / 0-)

            I think you're overreacting to my comment.

            I agree with your idea of Cheney belonging in jail; I guess I needed to say that to protect my ability to have a discussion.  I'm just commenting on the problem we face when we've just come through the nightmare of a president who was able to impose his will on Congress, but whose policies and ideas were completely wrong, and now face a president who seems unwilling to strong arm his troops in service of better policies.  

            Please note my previous comment to you:

            well if there was ever a moment when the Senate could use some arm twisting from a popular former colleague, this would be that moment.

            I think we're on the same side, sjersey.  Save it for the real enemy.

            Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

            by SottoVoce on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 07:38:39 AM PST

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            •  Dubya didnt impose his will on Congress (0+ / 0-)

              He didn't need to--Congress was always with him. Including the Dems who capitulated on virtually everything. After all, Bush and the Dems wanted the same things.

              The proff of that is (1) the number of Bush-era monstrosities that have been continued under the new Dem administration without opposition, and (2) the willingness of Dems in Congress to continue to support the Repug program even when the Pres is no longer a Repug.

              It is precisely the problem I foresaw happening back when Obama was elected--the Dem Party is not behind Obama or a progressive agenda, never was, and never will be. The Dem Party never wanted Obama or his agenda in the first place--they expected they would be able to coronate Hillary and were shocked utterly when an unexpected wave of popular discontent swept Obama into office instead.

              As a result, Obama must now fight against BOTH parties, neither one of which supports him or a progressive agenda.

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