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  •  Obama threatening the veto (4+ / 0-)
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    bornadem, Major Tom, bmor, hkorens

    Maybe he ought to act more like a president than puppydog?

    or threaten to let all Bush taxes expire.

    •  Threatening a veto of what? (4+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, wader, Anima, FiredUpInCA

      If we want to cut taxes for the middle-class, we have to pass something. Vetoing everything means the middle-class tax cuts expire at the end of the year too.

      What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

      by mistersite on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 08:36:10 AM PST

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      •  Let it expire (9+ / 0-)

        The average middle class gets about $600-700 a year from the Bush tax cuts. Are we middle class that greedy as to let Medicare and SS be threatened for $600?

        Obama should had be resolute from the beginning that if the Bush taxes on the wealthy are extended, he will veto.

        •  Yeah. THERE'S a winning election strategy. (14+ / 0-)

          Call the middle class "greedy" for not wanting their tax cuts to expire. Insulting the populace is a guaranteed political win.

          I'd imagine there are quite a few "average middle class families" who could really use that $600-700 to buy the kids new clothes for school, pay the mortgage, or keep gasoline in the car.

          What have you done for DC statehood today? Call your Rep and Senators and demand action.

          by mistersite on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 08:45:41 AM PST

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          •  The Dems are sure winning those elections now (5+ / 0-)

            You don't win elections plotting election strategy.  You win on the conviction of your principles.

            That $600 has a hidden cost: Social Security and Medicare will be further used as scapegoats for our deficit problems (which would be nearly cut in half with the expiration of all Bush taxes).

            Social Security and Medicare are worth far more to the middle class than $600 a year.

            •  This comment is nonsense. (5+ / 0-)
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              RevJoe, wishingwell, v2aggie2, Anima, moonpal

              Here's why:  You know why we didn't have a vote on this before the elections?

              Because a handful of Blue Dog democrats wanted to postpone the vote until the lame duck session.

              Many of those Blue Dogs lost.  They're gone.  They wouldn't have supported the Obama tax cut proposal anyway.

              As for the GOP, they are emboldened but they are certainly not popular.

              BTW, where do you live and who's your Congressman?

              Money is not speech. Corporations are not people.

              by Benintn on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 08:57:18 AM PST

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          •  Agreed. My family would be ok--though we're (4+ / 0-)
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            wishingwell, Loge, allergywoman, southof

            closer and closer to the edge. My teacher husband's already crappy take-home pay has gone down every year for the past five years, what with a total lack of raises and ever-rising health insurance/retirement costs.  We'll muddle through, but PLEASE don't just talk about the "average middle class" as crazy for wanting to have their take-home pay go down even further. Yes, obviously the absolutely destitute should take precedence. But don't mistake that a lot of the "average middle class" is living right at the edge.

          •  Well then the Democrats deserve the Bush tax cuts (3+ / 0-)
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            Major Tom, naus, allergywoman

            This kind of argument is a circle down the drain.  Who wouldn't want an extra $600 in the pocket?

            It has a distinctive feel of the Roman Empire in its decline bribing its citizens with entertainment and freebies.

        •  Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! (8+ / 0-)

          I mean, when did middle-class Democrats start sounding like Republicans?

          "Gimme my tax cut!"

          Tax rates are too low across the board to support essential services.

          "Bernie Madoff's mistake was stealing from the rich. If he'd stolen from the poor he'd have a cabinet position." -OPOL

          by blue in NC on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 08:52:07 AM PST

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          •  About at the point when Republican policies (1+ / 0-)
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            drove our country into the ditch to the point when a huge chunk of the middle class is right on the edge of not being middle class anymore. No, it's not a huge amount, but there are a lot of people out there where it would be just enough to tip them over the edge to the can't-pay-your bills point. Keep in mind, a lot of people saw their health insurance costs skyrocket right in time for the elections this year. Also, hardly anyone is going to be seeing any kind of raise to offset even a part of the extra health costs. And those are the lucky folks who HAVE insurance.

        •  Here's the problem (6+ / 0-)

          I just looked at the yahoo news front page and the headline article starts off with, "Senate Republicans have blocked legislation allowing taxes to rise on upper income taxpayers."  

          Somehow the media has turned this into the Dems trying to implement a tax hike, and the fiscally responsible Republicans acting to protect the American taxpayer.  

          I emailed yahoo news.  I think our time would be much better spent on watching the media and holding them accountable for their lies and distortions, than in bashing Obama or the Democrats.  

          •  TPM has "Republicans block middle class tax cut" (5+ / 0-)

            Let's see what Reuters and AP have in their headlines.

            "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

            by zenbassoon on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 09:05:18 AM PST

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            •  Fox News says political maneuver (2+ / 0-)
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              sherlyle, destiny1

              is being used by Democrats to paint GOP as guardians of the rich.

              Money is not speech. Corporations are not people.

              by Benintn on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 09:09:00 AM PST

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              •  in that (0+ / 0-)

                Fox is absolutely right, except for the implication that the GOP is somehow not otherwise the guardians of the rich.

                "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

                by Loge on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 09:54:31 AM PST

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            •  AP is spinning wildly: (0+ / 0-)

              “Bill blocked to let upper-income tax cuts expire”

              It's actually a lie.

              Formerly known as Jyrinx.

              “If I can't dance to it, it's not my revolution.” ― Emma Goldman

              by Code Monkey on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 11:03:26 AM PST

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              •  Here's another AP headline (0+ / 0-)

                Senate blocks Obama's tax plan

                Since AP is the official regurgitation source for much of the print media, that is the official story.

                Years of indoctrination predisposes people to believing that any tax plan coming from Democrats is a tax hike, so they don't have to say it in the headline. It will just be assumed by those who only read headlines.

                How the White House and Democrats are supposed to scrape off the patina of decades of right wing messaging through quotes that never get covered or considered by the official news sources is a mystery to me.

          •  Well (0+ / 0-)

            the problem is both parties are in more or less agreement about what to do with the lower tax rates.  The action is at the upper bracket level.  This is like all this who voted to fund or defund the troops debate, when the real contested issue was timelines for withdrawal.  

            "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

            by Loge on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 09:53:45 AM PST

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          •  That headline is why the Blue Dogs didn't want (2+ / 0-)
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            the vote before the election.  BEcause history has shown that the MSM will spin things the Repubs way, no matter what.  I still blast Pelosi and Reid for not holding the vote before the election, which would have given the Dems time and ammo before the election to fight back against the MSM headlines that would have appeared, of which the one you cite is an example.

    •  You're not very bright. (2+ / 0-)
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      alba, moonpal

      Or at least, your view that Obama threatening a veto would make a difference is not very bright.

      Money is not speech. Corporations are not people.

      by Benintn on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 08:55:18 AM PST

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    •  You can't seriously believe that such (2+ / 0-)
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      wishingwell, JL

      a threat would have made Lieberman or Manchin or Webb or Nelson or Feingold see the light of day . .

    •  LMAO! (1+ / 0-)
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      FiredUpInCA

      All I've been hearing from this "Obama is teh evil!" crowd this entire debate is that if he would just "let it come to a vote" and "let his voice be heard" that they would be satisfied. "As long as he tries!" someone here told me, "I'll be happy." LMAO! Well, he TRIED. Reid TRIED. And failed. Happy? Why fuck no! Now he's got to whip the middle class--the people you claim to give a fuck about, the people you claim Obama's destroying--with a veto. THEN it will be enough for you.

        Please. These "good faith critics" have lost me. Now I see. Now I understand that it's all about opposition to Obama, plain and simple.

      No man undertakes a trade he has not learned; yet everyone thinks himself sufficiently qualified for the hardest of all trades, that of government-socrates

      by Socratic Method on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 11:04:37 AM PST

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