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  •  Interesting. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you but (13+ / 0-)

    are you suggesting that only those who run, or have run, for office are qualified to voice an opinion about the abysmal performance of the Congressional Democrats and the President? You know, most of the people I know at this site actually have a very great deal of experience in getting things done in their professional lives. Certainly enough to have a valid opinion about the job performance of someone they hired two years ago.

    •  I'm not saying they're the only ones qualified .. (21+ / 0-)

      to voice an opinion, but I'm saying that a little more humility about how certain people are of their negative opinions about the President and the Democratic leadership would be VERY welcome.

      The simple fact is that given the tendency of some of the blue dogs to vote like Republicans on most issues, and of the willingness of the Republicans to filibuster virtually everything, the President has NEVER, from the day he was inaugurated, had the votes he needs to get anything done without either getting some Republican votes, or getting EVERY Democrat.  And since very early in the administration, not even every Democrat has been enough.

      I'm at something of a loss to understand why so many people here refuse to understand that.

      Still PROUD to be a Democrat!

      by leevank on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 02:45:54 PM PST

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      •  Sorry, leevank, but we can't understand what's (9+ / 0-)

        not true. The President, despite the wishful thinking of his most ardent and tenacious supporters, has had many clear choices to make that were not a slave to the Repugs or the Blue Dogs.  

        He has clearly shown himself to be a compulsive compromiser, willing to give away the story without a fight on too many issues, in some cases; fully in line with conservative views and policies in others.  It's nice to think that he had no choices, but he most certainly did.  And those of us who have been steeped in politics (directly and indirectly) know this.  I'm sorry not everyone understands that reality.

        [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

        by Vtdblue on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 03:44:56 PM PST

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        •  Comments like this (2+ / 0-)
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          And those of us who have been steeped in politics (directly and indirectly) know this.  I'm sorry not everyone understands that reality.

          make me wonder if you think you know the background of everyone on this blog. It might not have been meant this way, but it sounds as if you think anyone who disagrees with you is a political newbie. Couldn't you just have written your comment - and made your point - without demeaning those who disagree with you.

          Maybe we need to have a 'let's see what kind of political experience posters on this blog have' poll - or diary.

          "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

          by royce on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 06:16:20 PM PST

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          •  Fair enough. I retract that "appeal to authority" (0+ / 0-)

            and leave it as a judgment problem.  Obama is a disaster in the making.  Guess we'll just have to disagree on that point.

            [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

            by Vtdblue on Sat Dec 04, 2010 at 09:47:44 PM PST

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            •  Fair enough. (0+ / 0-)

              If we (all of us) could have discussions minus the slams, we might learn some helpful things - like how to talk to voters we are trying to sway. If you believe Obama is a disaster in the making, tell me why you believe that rather than telling me I'm an idiot because I don't agree (and the same goes for the side that thinks he is doing a good job).

              P.S. I don't see it as a judgment "problem" but as a disagreement.

              "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." ~ Mencken

              by royce on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 11:01:15 AM PST

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      •  I'd settle for those (1+ / 0-)
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        who tout the 50 state strategy to learn what it actually is.

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