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  •  It's rescinding his extreme rhetoric. (16+ / 0-)

    Doesn't mean he is sorry. Or even cares. His later comment showed that he just wanted to stop the shitty tweets and comments he must have been getting over it.

    Rand Paul- He won't let you down. His supporters won't let you up

    by second gen on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 01:26:52 PM PST

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    •  Well, I thought that was the problem. (10+ / 0-)

      The incendiary rhetoric, that is.  I wouldn't expect him to apologize for finding "photographic leader-glorification" objectionable.  That's a perfectly reasonable position to take.  It's also perfectly reasonable to disagree with him on that point.  The part that I thought was unreasonable was comparing people to nazi propagandists.  And it looks to me like he is apologizing for that.

      •  Actually, he's not apologizing, he's (7+ / 0-)

        rescinding. Different. Basically saying if I could take it back, I would, just because it pissed you off, but that doesn't mean I don't still think it.

        Rand Paul- He won't let you down. His supporters won't let you up

        by second gen on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 01:39:54 PM PST

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      •  It's clear most people here (4+ / 0-)
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        don't know who Leni Riefenstahl was.  She is recognized primarily as both a great artist as well as propagandist.  That she was documenting the Nazis can be overlooked in that regard, especially since her greatest work- Triumph of the Will- was made in 1934- well before the true evils of Hitler's agenda was widely known.  Regardless of Riefenstahl's personal awareness of that- her contributions to filmmaking were epic:

        Triumph of the Will was released in 1935 and rapidly became one of the best-known examples of propaganda in film history. Riefenstahl's techniques, such as moving cameras, the use of telephoto lenses to create a distorted perspective, aerial photography, and revolutionary approach to the use of music and cinematography, have earned 'Triumph' recognition as one of the greatest films in history. Riefenstahl won several awards, not only in Germany but also in the United States, France, Sweden, and other countries. The film was popular in the Third Reich[2] and elsewhere, and has continued to influence movies, documentaries, and commercials to this day.

        Greenwald's comment was read (by me for one) primarily for the label of propagandist.

        •  Exactly. It's silly and obtuse for the Big Fans (1+ / 0-)
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          to insist that the analogy was of Obama to Hitler, when clearly it was of the mindless, ever-psycophantic BWD to Riefenstahl's soaring, adulatory propaganda.  Despite Greenwald's "rescission," I still think that analogy was a reasonable one.

          [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

          by Vtdblue on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 02:56:35 PM PST

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          •  Greenwald went Godwin on BWD, when he could (1+ / 0-)
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            have used any number of Nazi-unrelated examples to make his point.  Greenwald felt the need to go there, when there was no need, and it reflects poorly on him and poorly on his defenders.

            •  Name another propagandist who he could have (0+ / 0-)

              compared her to.  You can't.  You turkeys have a (willful or otherwise) fundamental misunderstanding of what an analogy is. It's not necessarily an exact fucking comparison. Look it up.

              [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

              by Vtdblue on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 08:33:48 PM PST

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    •  And he damn sure was getting them (8+ / 0-)

      from all corners, myself included.

      "The enthusiasm gap has more to do with abnormally high levels of Republican interest in the election than with despondent Democrats." -Nate Silver

      by malharden on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 01:34:36 PM PST

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      •  ooh, aren't you just so (3+ / 0-)
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        damned tough.

        371/400- "this makes you extremely progressive" whatever that means.

        by cedar park on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 01:52:44 PM PST

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        •  Get a clue (8+ / 0-)

          Greenwald is the one with the consistent over-the-top rhetoric and the notoriously thin skin.

          People around here can prostrate themselves before him all they like, but your Rove-like attempt to try to hang his tactics on me are transparent and amateurish.

          Drive home safe, now.

          "The enthusiasm gap has more to do with abnormally high levels of Republican interest in the election than with despondent Democrats." -Nate Silver

          by malharden on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 01:56:22 PM PST

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          •  Laughable coming from one who "prostrates" (2+ / 0-)
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            himself before the Reagan Democrat Obama administration.  Greenwald's basic point was a good one, and he's smarter than most of you all, that's for sure.

            [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

            by Vtdblue on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 02:59:39 PM PST

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            •  lol @ the irony. A hero worshipper of GG. (3+ / 0-)
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              open your mind or someone else will open it for you, but be careful you don't open it too much for you brain to fall out.

              by carlos the jackal on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 04:24:05 PM PST

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              •  It's called respect, doofus. But unlike your hero (0+ / 0-)

                worship of Obama, I can separate my respect for the ideas and talent from things which the person might not be correct about.  Greenwald's made mistakes before, but his is not one of those instances.  When have YOU ever criticized your hero?  Didn't think so.

                [Conservatives are] engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; ...the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. JK Galbrai

                by Vtdblue on Sun Dec 05, 2010 at 08:30:57 PM PST

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