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  •  I quite agree (4+ / 0-)

    The big gripe I had with HCR was the mandates---the rest of the bill had some pretty good things (like no more dropping people who get sick).  As I put it back then, the bill had some good raisins, but they were embedded in a big shit muffin (the mandates).  So we should keep the raisins and throw away the shit muffin.

    Fortunately, that may now happen.

    And as I said back then, I'm not buying any "mandated" insurance--the corporados are not getting one nickel of my money. And if the Dems want to arrest me for that, go right ahead--at least in jail I'll be able to get free fucking health care. Unless the Dems are gonna mandate that the prisoners have to pay for it too.

    •  The problem is that if you mandate the (0+ / 0-)

      other forms of reform but you let people stay outside of the system, you will exacerbate the HC access problem since premiums will rise.

      Medicare buy in is the easiest way to go.

      "Raise your hand if you think Social Security and Medicare are Socialism."-Lawerence O'Donnell

      by AZphilosopher on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 02:19:11 PM PST

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      •  single payer is the best way to go (2+ / 0-)
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        Cartoon Messiah, AZphilosopher

        but alas the Dems have given up on that.  They no longer view health care as a right and not a privilege.

        As for premiums going up, that is why any effective HCR required COST CONTROL---let the goddamn insurance companies justify their rate increases to a public commission just like the electric company has to do.

        Mandating that we BUY insurance while at the same time guaranteeing that we cannot control the PRICE of that mandated insurance, guarantees that our costs will go up and up and up (and so will corporate profits)--and there's nothing we can do about, not even refuse to BUY the shit.

        Mandates are a losing idea, all around.  That's why the Dems were always AGAINST them--until we lost our balls.

        But I do think you are right--Medicatre buy-in (with large subsidies for the non-wealthy) is the best of all the remaining options.

        Of course the Dems don't have the balls to fight for it--as they already proved by NOT fighting for it.

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