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  •  As always a great comment and (5+ / 0-)

    observation. BTW they've brought back debtor's prisons in two states now and are making headway in bringing it back in several more. They never cease their quest for more and more of everything - regardless of the heavy costs to us for small profits to them.

    These discussions are helping to increase awareness of the problems and who are involved.

    "Inmates should be reformed...not recycled"

    by Bob Sloan on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 04:57:05 PM PST

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    •  can you clarify that? (0+ / 0-)

      I Googled it and found some interesting links, but mostly about how people without financial resources wind up in jail because they can't pay fines. Is there something deeper going on here?

      "Moral high ground, meet mountain top removal." - David Kroning II

      by Miep on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 05:51:39 PM PST

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      •  It is much deeper. (3+ / 0-)
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        The issue in a nutshell is this: more and more laws have been proposed and enacted to increase the number of laws in every state, the length of sentence to be served for violating state laws and other laws decreasing the gain time that an inmate can learn. All of this contributes to our huge incarceration statistic.

        At he same time the above proposed laws were written through a conservative PAC - ALEC - on behalf of corporations involved in privatized prisons and prison industry labor. ALEC has 2400 state lawmakers as members. They sit on "task forces" with corporations to create the laws favorable to the corporate interests and those members carry the proposed laws back to their states and introduce them as "bills". The Corporations the laws benefit contribute to the campaign funds of other lawmakers in those states while ALEC members lobby them for support. In this way the bills become laws for all of us.

        Keeps more in prison and makes them available as a labor force for the same corporations, such as CCA and Geo Group. As more prisoners are put to work, the manufacturers in the private sector (owned by ALEC's corporate members) cease operations and move everything into prison facilities. Private sector employees are replaced with prisoners. They lose their jobs and over 2 decades thousands have been subjected to this kind of job losses.

        It's all about profits and is driven by a select group of individuals and corporations who have their own agenda.

        "Inmates should be reformed...not recycled"

        by Bob Sloan on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 06:23:06 PM PST

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        •  wow (1+ / 0-)
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          Then I guess all you need to buy to complete the package is the media and the judiciary.

          "Moral high ground, meet mountain top removal." - David Kroning II

          by Miep on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 06:56:15 PM PST

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          •  Unfortunately the media (4+ / 0-)
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            is cooperative by being used to create fear in society about the release of prisoners - due to overcrowding - and recently it was used effectively to instill fear about illegal aliens in Arizona. Remember the stories about beheading, killed ranchers and tons of drugs being smuggled into AZ. by these Immigrants? The stories put out about the US being used as a baby factory by immigrants to get citizenship for their children born here? They were all used to cause fear in the public and get them to support SB 1070.

            Only later did we learn the truth that the immigration apprehensions were down 66% from 2004 through 2009 and that CCA and ALEC were behind both the bill/law and the media stories.

            The judiciary is already assisting them by refusing to throw out the minimum mandatory sentence requirements like the 3 strike laws, sentencing guidelines and truth in sentencing laws. All of these were proposed by ALEC and enacted with the help of their legislative members and lobbying on behalf of prison industry and private prison corporations. Judges and prosecutors know how much these laws are costing the American public, but make no effort to reform the system or put a stop to the ever-increasing introduction of new more harsh laws. This failure to address the issues results in prison beds being kept full and tax money diverted from education to incarceration to build even more prisons.

            They're operating this entire scheme like a business...franchising their "product" to more and more states much like McDonalds, Starbucks and Taco Bell (who by the way all purchase prison made products or use inmate labor to mfg. their products).

            "Inmates should be reformed...not recycled"

            by Bob Sloan on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 07:13:01 PM PST

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            •  That's right. (2+ / 0-)
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              Its a core of the economy.

              Bob: Have you published the list of companies that manufacture using PIC for labor? That would be good to post again if you have before.

              Republicans are slumlording America!!

              by Fe Bongolan on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 09:45:09 PM PST

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              •  We concern ourselves here (0+ / 0-)

                with whether or not coffee is harvested and sold free trade and that cacao is harvested without slave labor in other countries.

                Yet, we are still enamored of our cheap goods that contribute to the PIC because these things are affordable. Will we be willing, in this day, age and economy, to give these things up?

                There's work to be done in re-adjusting values as well as laws. We have a lot to do.

                We need to wikileak manufacturing processes in America to give consumers the choice of paying lower prices at the cost of human souls, or paying a little more or going without because the cost is too high for our principles and conscience.

                Republicans are slumlording America!!

                by Fe Bongolan on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 09:54:37 PM PST

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                •  I agree. If choices were made and corporations (2+ / 0-)
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                  made to stop using prison labor, their product costs to the consumer would increase...but they have made so many millions off of prison labor, that raising our prices would simply keep their profit margins static.

                  They have no care or concern for inmates or customers either. If they did, they would not have gotten involved in using what amounts to slave labor in the first place.

                  Now many of these same "players" - including ALEC - have moved their operations overseas and are starting to push for lower wages in countries where they went to keep from paying Americana a fair wage. There is absolutely nothing this cabal will not do to stay on top and keep the status quo. They are so dominant in our product markets, that trying to boycott them is nearly impossible. For instance: McDonalds, Starbucks, Microsoft, Boeing Aircraft, Johnson and Johnson to name a few with products we purchase daily. McDonald uniforms and plastic food utensils and paper products are made with prison labor...and I can see the type of anger we'd generate from the public by asking them to eat somewhere else. Problem is Taco Bell uses similar products. McDonalds and Wendy's are supporters of ALEC.

                  "Inmates should be reformed...not recycled"

                  by Bob Sloan on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 07:49:23 AM PST

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              •  I have and I will repost it this week (1+ / 0-)
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                to keep everybody up on the companies using inmate labor. I have also posted the names of the corporations belonging to ALEC and/or support them and I'll repost those. Many corporate names are on both lists...as you would expect.

                "Inmates should be reformed...not recycled"

                by Bob Sloan on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 07:39:23 AM PST

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