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  •  Source? I was in the Tonkin Gulf that night and (1+ / 0-)
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    prior to that we were up the Arabian Sea: Madagascar, Mombassa, Aden and hosting the Shah of Iran. Then we made it back to the Tonkin just in time for Aug 2-4, 1964.

    •  um, you really require a scource that (2+ / 0-)
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      we did that? in 2010?

      371/400- "this makes you extremely progressive" "We live in our actions and our reactions"- Great Lake Swimmers

      by cedar park on Mon Dec 06, 2010 at 08:23:33 PM PST

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    •  Thai government (4+ / 0-)

      Coincidentally, Thailand finally made official and public what everyone has known all along: 55% of all U.S. bombing of the North originates from the four U.S. airbases leased from the Thais, where the bulk of the 35,000 U.S. personnel in Thailand are stationed

      Time Friday, Mar. 17, 1967

    •  source for Thai pilots.... (1+ / 0-)
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      read the Pentagon Papers ... or at least the portions covering the months immediately prior to the Gulf of Tonkin "incident."

      source for Gulf of Tonkin "incident" being a lie....
      Google is your friend, but since you can't do your own homework, here is a remdial lesson plan for you:

      Later on at a conference in Washington DC, Daniel Ellsberg (former advisor to during the war) said:

      "Did McNamara lie to Congress in 1964? I can answer that question. Yes, he did lie, and I knew it at the time. I was working for John McNaughton... I was his special assistant. He was Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs. He knew McNamara had lied. McNamara knew he had lied. He is still lying. (Former Secretary of State Dean) Rusk and McNamara testified to Congress... prior to their vote... Congress was being lied into.. what was to be used as a formal declaration of war. I knew that.... I don't look back on that situation with pride."

      Ellsberg also revealed:

      "What I did not reveal in the summer of '64... was a conspiracy to manipulate the public into a war and to win an election through fraud... which had the exact horrible consequences the founders of this country envisioned when they ruled out, they thought as best they could, that an Executive Branch could secretly decide the decisions of war and peace, without public debate or vote of Congress... Senator Morse, one of the two people who voted against the Tonkin Gulf Resolution told me in 1971, '...had you given us all that information... seven years earlier, in 1964, the Tonkin Gulf Resolution would never have gotten out of Committee. And, if it had, it would never have passed...'

      Your assignment -- find evidence the attack actually occurred.  Be sure it is concrete, reliable, and independently verifiable.  Because the refutation is.

      "They really don't want to 'win' the war; they just want to have one."
      -- DelicateMonster

      by 8ackgr0und N015e on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 03:17:33 AM PST

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