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  •  Nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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    In some cases they cannot, but in many cases they are the most flexible incremental solution to solve the ultimate problem, which in any case will require energy diversity and will not be done overnight.

    Your "less than 100% solution" is a typical NIMBY talking point and no reason for the US to lag behind lessor ountries like Germany, Spain, Denmark, the UK or China, just to name a few.

    But if you want the US to continue to drag it's feet until it misses the opportunity and becomes a fossil country struggling to pay for fossil fuels, that is an option.

    Whatever reality you like.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Tue Dec 07, 2010 at 09:10:57 PM PST

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    •  I am not arguing against using renewable energy (0+ / 0-)

      Actually quite the contrary.

      But just because you want renewable energy to be able to support 7 billion people does not make it so.  We have billions struggling on this earth while we burn fossil fuels.

      Renewables don't have near the bang that fossil fuels have.  It is completely not realistic to think we can support this world's population on renewables.

      •  Which world are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

        And how soon? Tomorrow?

        Here are some facts:

        CO2,emissions,environment

        First look at the difference between the US, Europe and China.

        The difference between Europe and the US is, essentially, energy use effiency (US trails developed countries), greater utilization of mass-transit in Europe and greater utilization of renewable and nuclear power in Europe.

        The difference in the US and China is essentially much lower personal consumption of power (keep in mind China's figure includes a much higher ratio of industrial use and construction related emissions, ie, steel and concrete) and greater use of mass-transit, with the amount of renewables expected to pass the US in the next year.

        The other members of the group including China have lower power trajectories due to later economic development and therefore better potential to increase their ratio of clean power sooner.

        Below the group including China, both personal and industrial use is far lower and relatively easy to meet with renuables in the short term is technology and funding is available.

        The essential problem is to accelerate the deployment of renewables in the US, China, Europe and the Industrialized Asian nations (ie, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, Singapore and Indonesia).

        China is on track to reduce it's energy intensity/GDP by 40-45% by 2020 which is approximately equivelent to 40% reduction in CO2 with a renewable component of 15% and the balance comming from improvements in effeciency.

        The US, so far, has only commited to a modest 17% redution in CO2 from 2005 levels by 2020 (verses a proposed 40% frome Europe).

        With greater commitments, greater ratios can be achieved and creating a virtually renewable global system by or before mid-centry is certianly possible.

        Some countries are already planning and on track to next expoters of clean energy because they have the wind or solar resources.

        The US, in fact, has the potential to meet all of it's needs by wind alone (East of the Rockies is a huge wind corridor) although there are significant advantages to a diversified system.

        It's not a question of possibility but one of political will and commitment.

        And it does not come from power alone, but improving effeciency (the low hanging fruit) and reducing consumption.

        Saying it can happen does not make it so. The same applies to saying it can't.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:04:17 AM PST

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        •  Nonsense (0+ / 0-)

          Explain to me why the population of the world was only one billion people in 1804.

          And then try to tell me our world's population is not dependent on fossil fuels to sustain its numbers.

          •  What the hell are you talking about? (0+ / 0-)

            eh?

            Explain to me why the population of the world was only one billion people in 1804.

            And then try to tell me our world's population is not dependent on fossil fuels to sustain its numbers.

            Sorry, this makes no sense, maybe you better restate your case in logical terms.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 09:25:57 AM PST

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          •  Let me give you a clue (0+ / 0-)

            A minority of the world's population consumes a majority of the fossil fuels and that is one of the things the chart illustrates.

            What about my Daughter's future?

            by koNko on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 09:49:12 AM PST

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            •  But a majority of the world's population is (0+ / 0-)

              dependent of fossil fuels.

              Up until 1804 humans worked as hard as they could to increase the population.  And then after 1804 and fossil fuels the population increases to 7 billion.

              •  So ... (0+ / 0-)

                Consuming fossil fuels in low population, high consuption countries increases fertitly rates in high population low consumption countries?

                Please explain how that works.

                Maybe you are mistaken. maybe the population growth was spaked by the advent of Mormonism and thaeir naughty polymanist ways, that also coincided with increases in global population. LOL.

                Yes, most of the world's power presently is generated by fossil fuels - that is the problem.

                And that is the reason to lower consumption by conserving power and to change to carbon neutral power generation sources, for which the technology exists and is rapidly improving.

                But .... but .... we ... can't ....

                What about my Daughter's future?

                by koNko on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 07:35:08 PM PST

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