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  •  Have they reached out to Log Cabin Republicans (3+ / 0-)
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    for a little push?

    Not snark. I would guess those folks have a few strings they can pull -- not to mention dollars.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:06:48 AM PST

    •  maybe some old fashioned backmail? n/t (0+ / 0-)

      "This world demands the qualities of youth: not a time of life but a state of mind[.]" -- Robert F. Kennedy

      by Loge on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:15:23 AM PST

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    •  They Were Bashing Reid (2+ / 0-)
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      because he supposedly should have let the Republicans join in the amendment process last time. Here was their statement:

      (Washington, DC) –– The Log Cabin Republicans are troubled by the parochial political actions of Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) who has refused to compromise with Senate Republicans by holding a full and open debate on the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA). Rather than reaching a compromise allowing for ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ to be repealed, the Senate has postponed action until after the election.

      "Obviously, we are disappointed.  Senator Reid failed to reach a compromise with Republicans and our military servicemembers will need to wait until the November elections are over for the US Senate to vote on a repeal." says R. Clarke Cooper, Executive Director, Log Cabin Republicans.  "This partisan arrogance is an example of why voters will be turning away from Democrats on November 2nd.

      Why should we think the Log Cabin Republicans would not support what the Republicans are doing when they supported them doing the exact same last time around? They didn't bring in a single damned Republican vote last time and they aren't going to do anything this time.

      It bears to remember - the Log Cabin Republicans are Republicans first, and gay right proponents second.

      •  LCR update (2+ / 0-)
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        Here's their press release today:

        (Washington, DC) - As the National Defense Authorization Act of 2011 likely moves toward the Senate floor for a vote, Log Cabin Republicans call upon the Majority Leader to allow for a fair amendment process and open debate to facilitate repeal of ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.’

        "There is strong bipartisan support for passing the National Defense Authorization Act and ending ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ if Republicans are given a fair say in the final version of the defense bill," said R. Clarke Cooper, Log Cabin Republicans Executive Director. "After studying the Pentagon’s Working Group report and hearing testimony from the Secretary of Defense, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and each Service Chief that our military is ready and willing to implement open service, there is no reason for further delay. Passage of the NDAA is vital to the work of our armed forces. Americans can be confident our professional military men and women will have the same success implementing a policy of nondiscrimination applied by many of our allies.

        Today, the Majority Leader stated that he will likely announce the amendment process for the NDAA this evening. Log Cabin Republicans strongly encourages him to allow for a fair and open debate that will bring Republican votes to the table so military funding will be authorized and we can finally put this failed and unconstitutional policy to rest."

        Log Cabin Republicans have maintained a three-front strategy against ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,’ lobbying for repeal in Congress, consulting with the Department of Defense, and filing suit in federal court.  The case went to trial in July of 2010, and Judge Virginia Phillips ruled on September 9, 2010 that the policy violated the First and Fifth Amendments of the Constitution.

        Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. Dr. Seuss, The Lorax

        by CDH in Brooklyn on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:21:46 AM PST

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        •  They're taking Collins line (5+ / 0-)

          "Allow a fair amendment process" means "let the GOP set the rules of the debate so they can run out the clock".

          Remember, the Log Cabin Republicans have a stake in this - and it's not getting it repealed through the legislative process.  It's getting it overturned by the courts with their lawsuit.

          That way they are heros and they can say the Democrats did nothing.

          I'm thinking about making it my spiritual journey to love others, [but] I fear the morons will disappoint me. - Rat, Pearls Before Swine

          by Gay In Maine on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:30:37 AM PST

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          •  Indeed. (2+ / 0-)
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            Not a single word in their release calling on Republican senators to compromise with Reid on the definition of "fair and open debate."  I'm not a member so I don't know if they sent a call-to-action e-mail to their members though.

            Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not. Dr. Seuss, The Lorax

            by CDH in Brooklyn on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:36:59 AM PST

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          •  Very perceptive, Gay. (1+ / 0-)
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            I wouldn't trust them to make good on that deal, either.  If they're against it then just do the right thing and repeal it.  No more debate is really necessary.  Time to shit or get shit on.

            "Only Democrats could lose in a popularity contest to someone MORE unpopular than themselves." - Bill Maher

            by rainmanjr on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 01:20:43 PM PST

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        •  Nice sig line. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm sometimes reminded, out of the blue, of the clever way Dr. Seuss put things.  Yours made me miss him, a bit.

          "Only Democrats could lose in a popularity contest to someone MORE unpopular than themselves." - Bill Maher

          by rainmanjr on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 01:18:26 PM PST

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      •  ORLY? (1+ / 0-)
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        It bears to remember - the Log Cabin Republicans are Republicans first, and gay right proponents second.

        That must be why they took the Bush DOJ to court to repeal DADT, and are still out there working for it while Democratic gay groups just hold white parties.

        Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

        by lostboyjim on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:23:04 AM PST

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      •  I can't buy that line. (0+ / 0-)

        Gay is something you are.
        Politics is something you do.

        The only successful legal challenge to DADT so far was launched by Gasp! Log Cabin Republicans.

        Question: Has anybody offered up a bill specifically and only on DADT?

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Wed Dec 08, 2010 at 11:51:42 AM PST

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    •  Yea! (0+ / 0-)

      I taught they said they have 5 rep senators that will vote for this thing where are they?.

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