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  •  This country is not liberal (7+ / 0-)

    When I read liberals who are furious with obama, i shake my head cause I question what do you think this president has done for the past 2 years? Do you realize he will be in the record books as the most progressive president who passed historic pieces of legislation in HISTORY? You can't get more progressive than obama and get ELECTED by the overwhelming country.

    •  FDR, Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, LBJ (2+ / 0-)
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      Nixon, Ford, Carter were all arguably more progressive than Obama, at least on domestic economic policy, and at least as progressive on foreign policy. Rightwing economic policy is bipartisan these days. Economically, Obama is on a par with Reagan, Bush I and Bill Clinton and maybe, just maybe, a hair diameter to the left of Bush II.

      "Trickle down economics 101: They get the golden parachute, we get the golden shower"

      by NoMoreLies on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 01:30:05 PM PST

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      •  All of those presidents (2+ / 0-)
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        had a very different country, a different economy and a different set of guiding principles to work with. And NONE except Clinton, were there after the Reagan Revolution -- because of whom the deregulation and lowered taxes for the most affluent led to this current debacle and which we're cleaning up now.

        The Clinton WH held onto some of the principles of the Reagan era and had a Congress that was looking to decrease the deficit. Clinton had the end of the Cold War to grant the White House the boon of lessening the military theater fighting anti-Soviet Proxy wars.

        Nostalgia for progressive principles using FDR, JFK, Truman, Eisenhower is good - it helps set a framework, but the framework must also include the present and the years it took to get us where we are. FDR had a filibuster-proof Senate and mostly Democratic Congress. Truman had a strong economy from America's growing influence as an empire in the post WWII World. Eisenhower had an economic infrastructure built on war industry that was converted and re-directed to the Cold War. JFK was a good Democrat, but he was not anti-war. Johnson had a majority in Congress, and the goodwill of the American people who listened to the march of history coming from Birmingham and MLK, -- the march of history and the anti-war movement propelled by our generation fighting the draft.

        Bernie Sanders is a good man. But I think he would be over his head even more so than President Obama. Our nation is in a bigger struggle than just what's properly left, progressive, right, center or far-right wing. We are afraid of our own change and the economic decline of the nation is both self-inflicted and naturally occurring. We chose obsolescence in the products we buy and manufacture.
        And we cannot carry on as an imperial military  complex any further. Re-tooling a nation built on war, oil and chemical dependency takes much longer than a Congressional session, and perhaps much longer than two terms in the White House.

        Republicans are slumlording America!!

        by Fe Bongolan on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 02:58:36 PM PST

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        •  I like your comment, but I hate the framing... (1+ / 0-)
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          stating it as the Reagan Revolution connotates something positive and forward looking. I would characterize it as "counterrevolution", "regressivism", "devolution" or "reaction".

          "Trickle down economics 101: They get the golden parachute, we get the golden shower"

          by NoMoreLies on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 03:30:33 PM PST

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          •  No one has ownership over use of 'revolution'. (0+ / 0-)

            In the late 1970s and the start of the 1980s in America, to the center and right of center Reagan was indeed the spearhead of a revolution. A revolution in reaction to the 1960s, counter-culture, and the Great Society.

            Hate to say it, but they say the "genius" of the "Reagan Revolution" was that it brought back joy to conservatism and conservatives. In that, he was an agent of change, even though we may not agree on the kind of change he stood for.

            Republicans are slumlording America!!

            by Fe Bongolan on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 03:49:11 PM PST

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    •  Exactly (2+ / 0-)
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      This country is not liberal.  We are liberal.

      President Obama is not a liberal.  Anyone who paid close attention during the primaries knew this.  Anyone who didn't is now disappointed.  Period.

      I am continually amazed at how wrong highly intelligent people can be in the face of indisputable evidence which is inconvenient to their world view. ~ geomoo

      by JustJennifer on Fri Dec 10, 2010 at 01:31:26 PM PST

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    •  Uh, no. (0+ / 0-)

      If you think this president is the most progressive president in history, then you don't know what "progressive" means.

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