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  •  I disagree, we may not agree with every word (7+ / 0-)

    the diarist writes, but it's a very well thought out and presented set of facts, with which we can agree or disagree.

    I too see tremendous hypocrisy at work here.  Hypocrisy crying and screaming without offering any viable solutions.

    Letting everything expire, to my mind, is not a solution, it's just a statement that you have no conception of what it's like to need the small stipend provided by UI.

    •  That's my beef (5+ / 0-)

      all screaming no solutions while depressing the base.

      It would nice if people could see past their noses for a change. But that has happened around here in a long time.

      It's all or nothing. In that take it or leave it scenario that is all black and white if we leave it we all get screwed.

      I say keep looking ahead. Build a moat around SS. That should be the next clarion call that we work on sensibly, rationally, and kindly.

      ~a little change goes a long way~

      by missliberties on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 06:20:39 AM PST

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      •  "Build a moat around SS?" (1+ / 0-)
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        skaye19

        If Obama's deal passes, that moat has already been breached. It's baked into the cake.

      •  No, your beef is personality... (2+ / 0-)
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        SadieB, esquimaux

        You just had to go after Jane and Greenwald.  How could a day be complete without a personal attack on someone who is working to force change.  If it isn't give me money, sign the petition; it's stfu, here have a donut you racist because I disagree with you....  

        I don't sign petitions or donate money anymore, and  I pay as little attention as possible to tribalists.  The political system is corrupt and to petition it or vote for it is completely stupid and a waste of time.  At least the critics are trying to force change or find alternatives, which is more than can be said about the "I heart Obama no matter how bad he is" crowd.

        What we need is a Democrat in the White House.

        by dkmich on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 06:48:07 AM PST

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    •  Letting them expire (2+ / 0-)
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      skaye19, allenjo

      is a very good idea. Clinton's fiscal policy created jobs, Bush's was a trainwreck.

      So Obama chooses . . . Bush's? It makes no sense.

    •  This is horseshit, Eve (6+ / 0-)
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      SadieB, triv33, skaye19, maryabein, tardis10, laker

      There've been literally thousands of comments from people saying they'd prefer to let the taxcuts expire rather than pass this superrich-friendly Social-Security threatening deal, then fight like hell for an extension of unemployment benefits, on which the GOP has already caved several times.

      You might remember Paul Krugman's Let Not Make a Deal column?

      You might not find this a "viable solution." Fair enough, but that doesn't mean we haven't clearly stated our position.

      •  it's not horseshit david, I respect (3+ / 0-)
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        missliberties, Lawrence, 57andFemale

        your point of view, but all this Democratic wailing--and mind you most of it has been centered around the estate tax, which will cost around 5-8 billion, is bullshit.  No one likes it, not for a second, but I'll tell you something, the rich could easily absorb higher rates, they're fine, they wouldn't like it, but it wouldn't destroy them.

        The middle class, the unemployed, they need every god damn penny this bad bill gives them.

        I am furious at Dems for their usual unintelligble nonsense.

        •  Thank You eve (0+ / 0-)

          I appreciate that you see through the ugly here to find that in the end this will be for the greater good.

           Especially the UI benefits extending without a petty vote for 13 months.

          ~a little change goes a long way~

          by missliberties on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 01:09:43 PM PST

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        •  the middle class in the U.S. will not be (0+ / 0-)

          saved by this piece of legislative garbage.  De-funding the federal government and social security will force devastating long-term cuts to federal programs that favor the middle class and poor in America.  Any real progressive needs to start looking for a new progressive force to deal with these turncoat DC democrats.

    •  we need a new progressive force within the (0+ / 0-)

      democratic party.  the DC variety won't work.  I'm waiting for something real to come along, and I'm in for the ride.

      you have to face the disaster before something good can happen.

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