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  •  I am going to burn for this statement but... (6+ / 0-)

    I deeply believe that a massive problem within the Progressive movement is that they do not have any concept, whatsoever, of delayed gratification. This has been our downfall historically.

    Action is the only agent for change -- talking without action has never effected change anywhere, in any way, at any time.

    by rubyr on Sun Dec 12, 2010 at 09:49:25 AM PST

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    •  Don't forget also that we were raised by (6+ / 0-)

      parents who lived through the depression (at least I was -- yours may have been a little younger).  Our whole value set has been shaped by that.  Waiting, not being extravagant, making do with what we have.

      Those aren't just financial behaviors: they translate into how we respond to political situations, too.

      "We live now in hard times, not end times." -- Jon Stewart

      by Yasuragi on Sun Dec 12, 2010 at 10:35:07 AM PST

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    •  Not burn, good analysis and (5+ / 0-)

      that is what we need at this point.  People have to step back from the immediacy -- on all sides, preferably -- and see what works.

      The top end of the economy actually needs to do this as well.  The anxiety that the U of C angry law professor and N. Gregory Mankiw expressed over possible tax increases (they both take home mid 6-figure salaries) is as problematic as anything.

      When we don't stop for a moment and parse what our individual preferences add up to socially, we get in trouble.

      Kind of like the energy-use tie in to the Gulf.  It wasn't just BP, it was a socially determined mass craving for cheap oil, a socially determined mass craving for stock returns, and so on that did us in.  Big structures, small people who somehow add up to these structures, and kaboom goes the oil well.

      My hope is that we all sit down and find ways to pre-bind ourselves, to pre-limit some of our choices so that we cut down on the race to the bottom style competition.  But doing so is locally irrational, even if globally the right thing to do.

      So let's get crazy!

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