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  •  Agreed... (3+ / 0-)

    Every time I see someone here advocate eliminating the filibuster the same thought comes to mind...

    Be careful what you wish for.

    I'm glad TBM posted this diary because I myself have tried (in vain) to explain to people that 58 seats in the Senate means nothing, especially when you have your Nelsons, Lincolns, and Conrads protecting their asses for reelection.  The numbers have never worked without anyone willing to cross the aisle but that's an inconvenient truth to some.

    All men having power ought to be distrusted to a certain degree -- James Madison

    by paulitics on Wed Dec 15, 2010 at 01:57:43 PM PST

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    •  Here's why CLOTURE needs to go (2+ / 0-)
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      twigg, ridemybike

      Even though I see, repeatedly, the claim that if the Democratic Senate changes the Rules at the beginning of the new Session in January... and eliminates the Cloture Rule, or at least significantly alters it, it will come back and bite the Democrats. Remember Bush...

      We must change or eliminate this Rule, it has caused a blockage in the US Senate and must be purged. When the Republicans are in power, the Democrats, for the most part, refuse to use the obstructing power of Cloture, and instead negotiate from a position of weakness, again and again. However, when the Democrats are in the Majority, the Republicans have no problem whatsoever using Cloture on every bill that lands on the Floor of the US Senate.

      Can you see how continuing the Cloture Rule, in it's current incarnation, is only advantageous to the Republicans?

      Here's what change looks like:

      For instance, a daily reducing required number of "Yeah" votes until you hit 50+1, and a simple majority. This change would ensure that an UP or DOWN vote on the bill would be coming. There would be no way to prevent it. Eventually, the majority would have their way.

      But it would entail a lot of very public debate. Actual debate. To continue to refuse Cloture would require real-time, on the Floor, continuing debate. Debate that might actually come to inform the Electorate about which Party works for the People and which one doesn't.

      "in Order to form a more perfect Union"
      Basta de Guerra. No más. Enough War. No more.

      by Angie in WA State on Wed Dec 15, 2010 at 04:41:46 PM PST

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