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  •  It's all about fundamental fairness with me. (0+ / 0-)

    This is why I will never be a "progressive," as it has come to be known about these parts.  To be accepted, you have to accept everyone's sad story equally and, at the suggestion of others, pay them off with wheelbarrows full of money that we don't really have.  To be a progressive, you have to silently agree NOT to make choices, NOT to have priorities, and instead you have to agree to every $7.4 billion dollar boondoggle that comes down the pike.  You have to agree for example to never even consider the opportunity cost of peeling off another $7.4 billion from the national wallet to benefit a few.  

    What, for instance, is special about the victims of 9/11 as opposed to the victims of other tragedies?  Consider the victims of the Oklahoma City bombing for example, who did not get such a benefit-- presumably, because they did not live in the media capital of the world:

    Some Oklahoma City bombing victims are feeling neglected nearly a year after the terrorist attacks because Congress didn't include them in a compensation fund with an expected average payout of $1.65 million for relatives of the Sept. 11 dead.

    Oklahoma City families don't begrudge the Sept. 11 families anything, said Dan McKinney, who lost his wife, Linda, in the bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building that was bombed in 1995. But Congress hasn't acted fairly, he said.

    "The way I look at it, a terrorist attack is a terrorist attack," he said. "People just don't realize that there wasn't money given out after the bombing."

    The government paid death or disability benefits to federal employees or their families after Timothy McVeigh gutted the Alfred P. Murrah Building with a truck bomb, killing 168 people.

    Cafeteria employees, parents of children killed in the day care center and those who died while visiting the building didn't receive federal benefits.

    http://cjonline.com/...

    And who can blame the victims of Oklahoma City from feeling neglected after seeing 9/11 victims getting paid so handsomely?  We can see that there is no will in Congress to pay the victims of terrorist acts in general-- when a bill was introduced to compensate Oklahoma City victims as 9/11 victims were compensated, it went nowhere.

    Bottom line, the 9-11 victim fund was arbitrary and unfair to begin with, by creating a special payoff regime for just that one tragedy-- benefits that the government is simply not prepared to pay for victims in other tragedies.  And now I'm a bad guy for raising an eyebrow because we want to include a whole new class of victims into this special fund to the tune of $7.4 billion?  You'll have to forgive me if that attack slides off me like water off a duck's back.

    I'm not advocating for no disaster relief here, let's be clear about that.  I'm just not for minting a bunch of disaster millionaires in one case, and leaving people high and dry in another.

    I am sorry that you are so emotionally disturbed by 9/11 that you can't even go back, and that you can't even think about it without becoming physically ill.  But I'd suggest then that maybe you're a little too emotionally invested to be objective about this.

    •  do you have ANY idea of the effects of (0+ / 0-)

      asbestos on the lungs?  the difference with 9/11 and oklahoma city is that the responders were breathing asbestos - pulverized, powdered asbestos.

      many of the rescuers have already been afflicted with lung disease because of breathing that grey cloud of dust/asbestos/human pulverized remains/etc.

      the city was enveloped in a cloud of same debris - but those tasked with removing it were exposed in lethal dosage.

      are you familiar with the structure of asbestos?  that little dog-bone shape that burrows lovingly into lung tissue and causes the tissue to react by growing madly trying to rid itself of that little particle (think cancer, think mesotheliaoma - if you are capable of thinking at all.

      here is a link for your edification.  read it and then get back to me when you've shed your selfish self-serving righteous attitude.

      and, just in case you can't be bothered to read said link, let me share with you a little picture to make you feel smug. it's from the cdc...
      lung tissue asbestosasbestos fibers lodged within lung tissue

      oh, yeah, forgot to mention, it takes about 15 years for the disease to become full-blown (meaning, to kill slowly by suffocation those affected).

      educate yourself and maybe next time, you won't come across as such an ass, heartless bastard or selfish republican wannabe.

      MOVE'EM UP! ROLL'EM OUT... MOVE'EM UP RAWHIDE!!! meeeoooow! mrraaarrr!! meeeOOOOOW!

      by edrie on Thu Dec 16, 2010 at 10:50:05 PM PST

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      •  You're the one that comes off as an ass... (0+ / 0-)

        ...not me.  How ironic that you call me self-righteous after this barrage of self-righteous insults that you've hurled at me.  

        The compensation fund isn't just for victims with mesothelioma or asbestos-related illnesses, so your "argument," such as it is, falls apart on its face.  The fund isn't even just for workers at the WTC site, but also the Pentagon and the plane crash in Pennsylvania.  The fund is available to "responders" who had the same kinds of injuries as the victims of Oklahoma City and other terrorist acts.  Those other victims had no similar fund available to them.  The 9/11 fund was available to people who died of their injuries-- no such fund ever existed for Oklahoma City victims or victims of other attacks.

        If the bill were just about mesothelioma or other asbestos-related illnesses, that would be one thing.  But it's not.  It's about 9/11.  Victims of mesothelioma for reasons other than 9/11 cannot access this fund.  Again, legislation has been presented to create a fund for all asbestos victims-- the Federal Asbestos Injury Resolution Act-- but it has not passed.  As I see it, the funding for this 9/11 bill comes out of funds that could be spent on other, fairer, more worthy bills like this one.  

        That's why I find the actions of the 9/11 responders cringeworthy.  They advocate for a special fund just for themselves, rather than working for more general, fairer legislation.    The 9/11 victims already have available to them all the possibilities of recompense that other asbestos victims have, and then some.  If we are going to spend federal money to compensate victims of asbestos exposure, we need to do it for all Americans in a fair way.  This bill does not meet that standard.

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