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  •  And the alternatives were...? (0+ / 0-)

    Liberty, Equality, Opportunity.

    by Troubadour on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 03:43:23 PM PST

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    •  I give up. You're right... (4+ / 0-)

      Clearly, every time the Republicans take "hostages" (or even threaten to take them!) we must capitulate and accede to their demands. What choice do we have? It's not like we could fight or genuinely negotiate or anything. If we did fight, that could result in our losing a battle or two! No, it's better not to fight and simply forfeit every battle beforehand. Much safer that way.

      Make no mistake, now that the Republicans know "hostage-taking" is a winning strategy, they will take more hostages and make more demands.

      First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ~ Gandhi

      by AuroraDawn on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 04:19:12 PM PST

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      •  The only reason it's a winning strategy for them (0+ / 0-)

        is that they were elected to control the House and to a larger minority in the Senate.  If we wanted something different, we could have elected a more liberal Congress.  We failed, at least this time around.  Deal with it.

        Liberty, Equality, Opportunity.

        by Troubadour on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 04:28:16 PM PST

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        •  Right, it's all our fault. (3+ / 0-)

          He is never responsible for anything he does. Neither are the Dems in the House or the Senate. I'm sure their failed leadership didn't contribute in any way to the mess we're in.

          First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ~ Gandhi

          by AuroraDawn on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 04:34:44 PM PST

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          •  He's responsible for making responsible decisions (0+ / 0-)

            And you can't name a responsible alternative to the one he made, so just deal with reality like an adult and stop your orgiastic Two Minute Hate bitching.

            Liberty, Equality, Opportunity.

            by Troubadour on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 04:37:03 PM PST

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            •  Responsible decisions from your POV. (3+ / 0-)

              Not from mine. And you can fling all of the insults you like at me, but it won't change anything- and it certainly isn't very "adult". As far as I'm concerned, you are the one unable to face reality.

              so just deal with reality like an adult and stop your orgiastic Two Minute Hate bitching.

              Reality from my POV is that we've been screwed by the President (and many of the Democrats in Congress, too). This tax deal is going to send us spiraling even deeper into debt.

              First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win ~ Gandhi

              by AuroraDawn on Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 04:46:54 PM PST

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        •  Not quite accurate (2+ / 0-)

          They were winning all the battles even before the last election because the Democrats have forgotten how to lead.  

          Compare Dubya with Obama - both came into office with a majority in both houses of Congress.  Bush managed to pass almost every hare-brained policy on his (err... Cheney's) agenda until he went after SocSec.  Did the Democrats get to impose limitations on his policies?  Not that I've been able to recall.  The closest was keeping his tax cuts from becoming permanent but that appears to have been a pretty ineffective victory so far.

          Now let's see what Obama has accomplished with his majority.  He let the Republicans water down the health care reform to the point that it is nearly worthless*.  He was able to pass stimulus packages which have gone a long way to funneling money to those who already have it but hasn't been able to get much (if any) of it to the people who needed it.  He's caved to nearly every Republican demand in order to pass anything.  

          The weakness he has shown played a large part in the Democratic defeat last month if for nothing else than his inability to convince the voters that he has had a positive effect on their situation.  He has shown that even when he's in a position of leadership, he still allows the Republicans to call the shots.  And then when they won the election, instead of digging in and showing them he will not allow them to push him around in the coming term, he goes crawling to them to offer his surrender.

          * Requiring insurance companies to insure anyone without capping premiums or offering another option just means they can raise their rates as high as they like on what has become a captive customer base.

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