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  •  Never Again (28+ / 0-)

    Malcolm X was right. We've been sitting long enough, it's time we did some standing and some fighting to back that up.

    No matter what they call themselves, these racist thugs should never be allowed to swagger around in an intimidating fashion without a bright light shined on their every disgusting word or act. Call them out for what they are: Racists, Hate-mongers, Un-American, Backwards. No quarter and no mercy because they would show others none.

    "What happened to the American Dream? It came true. You're looking at it".

    by The Lone Apple on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:16:34 PM PST

    •  Ugh. Haley Barbour...Ugh (1+ / 0-)
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      A totally mind over matter deal.

      I don't mind him because he doesn't matter. At all.

      If you pay attention to their hate you're wasting your own time on a path to nowhere, because they ain't gonna change. They are who they are who they are.

      So just ignore them. Their lack of existence in your world will be peaceful and productive for you.

      •  but he does matter, because it is not just him (20+ / 0-)

        there has been a lot of racist pictures and remarks about President Obama not just online or on blogs or in corners, but by major publications, and email campaigns etc.

        Coded words used all the time.

        Congress should at least discuss clarifying the law on incitement because GOP have sat silently or agreed with language, posters etc that could harm others.

        Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

        by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:30:34 PM PST

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      •  Completely Wrong (3+ / 0-)

        The man is governor of a state. He and his moral blindness matter a lot.

        It runs deeper. That state has a large population of black people, who suffered the Citizens Councils back in the day, and who suffer their after effects now. It's not hate that then could be ignored safely or practically, and it's not hate that can be ignored practically now. Its effects were and are physical and immediate, psychological and palpable. It still means some people don't have opportunities others do, some folks can't get jobs others can, some folks have a government run by men for whom not long ago outright violence and terror was a way of maintaining an oppressive social order which directly benefited those running the government now.

        •  Actually, the main thrust of the white citizens (1+ / 0-)
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          councils was directed at white people who might be inclined not to exclude black people and whose egalitarian impulses might actually be significant.  Poor whites were not a target.  Poor whites were given to understand that they should be grateful that no social stigma attached to them.

          Note that the concept of "citizen" was central.  Citizens, after all, are empowered and entitled to rule.  The prime objective of white citizens councils was to insure that non-whites did not access the right to rule -- i.e. civil rights.  That "mongrelization" was to be prevented was just an argument that was easy to visualize.  The real issue was the power to participate in governing.  Then when the voting rights acts were passed and could no longer be avoided, the agenda became to make the ballot box as meaningless as possible by putting up idiot candidates, discouraging voter participation, making elections a popularity contest (like "queen for a day" or "father of the year") restricting the registration, and, if nothing else worked, jiggling the counting of the ballots.

          From the perspective of the authoritarian or dictatorial ruler, democratic elections are preferable to other ways of selecting rulers (heredity, military conquest, religious appointment) because any Tom, Dick or Harry has a chance to ascend to the throne, sooner rather than later because of limited terms.  In other words, the democratically elected dictator is limited as to the amount of time he gets to be top dog.  That's what "limited government" means to conservatives.  That's why democracy is better than the alternative, hereditary rule.  It's a matter of time.

          The conservative mind relies mainly on what is plain to see.

          by hannah on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 03:26:56 AM PST

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          •  It was a lot simpler (3+ / 0-)

            The purpose of Citizens Councils was to put a veneer of civilization in front of beating and lynching and bombing.

            One might call it an "ugly smile".

            I wasn't alive then, but I grew up in the South, and know that thing was not so abstract and conceptual. Behind everything was the threat of violence or violence, loss of jobs and homes, everyday humiliation. The real issues were simple things like being able to walk down the street without being stopped by the police, enter a cafeteria and eat food, and use the bathroom on the way out. Or just not to be cursed at.

            There's still work to do, more in some parts, like Mississippi.

    •  "No quarter and no mercy" (2+ / 0-)
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      We can't be better than them
      if we do as they do .

      Its true. She loves you. And I told her you loved her, too.

      by indycam on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:27:38 PM PST

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      •  But I Am Better Than Them (2+ / 0-)
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        Even if only a tiny bit. I just don't agree with sitting there while someone is repeatedly punching you in the face or worse. If nothing else, their every single racist action needs to be pointed out and called out over and over again. This is what they are and there is no pussyfooting around it. It is not about agreeing to disagree with someone's point of view. The point of view of fools like Barbour is tainted from get-go. It is not valid no matter what they say.

        "What happened to the American Dream? It came true. You're looking at it".

        by The Lone Apple on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 09:49:42 PM PST

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        •  We can expose and denounce (2+ / 0-)
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          without harming anyone. That is the difference. Not just a little bit better Apple.   Vastly so

          Too far left to be part of the base anymore.

          by Guinho on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:27:49 PM PST

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        •  What's more important now is understanding how (1+ / 0-)
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          to defeat it.
          I don't think Barbour has the "citizen council" mentality now, but what he's trying to do is "whitewash" the history, which is consistent with a broadbased, Orwellian rewriting of history by Fox News, by elements of the Texas State Board of Education, Gov. McDonnell of VA, etc.

          At the same time, he's issuing a coded message to the current crop of racists in the tea party, etc. Of tolerance, of encouragement.
          Dog-whistle.

          The good news about this whole event is that duplicitous, coded message that we heard throughout the past two years has suddenly been stripped bare, and we're reminded of the real history. So hopefully Barbour will not crawl back into the woodwork but will be hung out to dry and Demint, McDonnell,Perry etc. can be effectively and justifiably smeared with that taint. This keeps them on the defensive, rather than able to drive the media narrative with their hooey.

      •  Being relentless in denouncing (1+ / 0-)
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        those whose bigotry harms all those it touches is nowhere akin to the bigotry we expose.  Thre is no similarity save for perhaps the level of determination.  Showing no tokerance of evil should not be thought to be "no different" than the evil itself.  

        They seek to harm the vulnerable. We seek to defend all

        Too far left to be part of the base anymore.

        by Guinho on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 11:26:40 PM PST

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        •  "No quarter and no mercy" (0+ / 0-)

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          A victor gives no quarter when the victor shows no clemency or mercy and refuses to spare the life in return for the surrender at discretion (unconditional surrender) of a vanquished opponent

          The term originates from an order by the commander of a victorious army that they "will not quarter (house)" captured enemy soldiers. Therefore, none can be taken prisoner and all enemy combatants must be killed

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          can refer both to compassionate behaviour on the part of those in power

          Mercy is a word used to describe compassion shown by one person to another, or a request from one person to another to be shown such leniency or unwarranted compassion for a crime or wrongdoing.

          Its true. She loves you. And I told her you loved her, too.

          by indycam on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 08:49:53 AM PST

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          •  boy (0+ / 0-)

            folks here need to study a little literature to be introduced to metaphor.  We are not discussing techniques of 19th century piracy here.

            Too far left to be part of the base anymore.

            by Guinho on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 09:48:10 AM PST

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            •  What literature would you have me study ? (0+ / 0-)

              "No quarter and no mercy" is a metaphor for what ?

              Its true. She loves you. And I told her you loved her, too.

              by indycam on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 10:08:40 AM PST

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              •  <chagrinned> (1+ / 0-)
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                Sorry for the insinuation

                I find people get worked up about metaphorical uses of language. Here I read it as an expression of uncompromisingness in the face of bigotry.  Hard to say that's unreasonable

                However I think the spirit of your comment is that by using violent language we fail to train ourselves to be gentle and compassionate in our dealings. Upon reflection I think you are utterly right

                Too far left to be part of the base anymore.

                by Guinho on Fri Dec 24, 2010 at 04:08:12 PM PST

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