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  •  Just a Moment (none)
    Sick as this is, resorting to violence (or threats of, even in hyperbole) is exactly the sort of thing we don't want to do. We're the calm, rational ones, remember? Get angry. You should. Make certain your voice is heard. You should. Don't threatedto or fantasize about--again, even in jest--killing the object of your anger.

    We're the ones who are supposed to be above that.

    Bush/Cheney 04--Standing Up For What's Right (for us)!

    by Severian on Tue Jan 13, 2004 at 08:48:25 PM PST

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    •  oh, i know (none)
      but it makes me livid. and if the author had been here, when i wrote that post, i would have taken a swing at her.

      now, i'm more likely just going to work a bit longer. and at the end of the night i'll fire of an angry but rational email.

      Vermin Supreme '04 Strong Teeth for a Strong America!

      by skaiserbrown on Tue Jan 13, 2004 at 09:18:31 PM PST

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    •  When does it cross the line? (none)
      I'm not a calm and rational one.  Speak for yourself.
      •  Not Trying To Put Words In Anyones Mouth (none)
        Or course they've crossed a line here. But does that merit our descending to their level? I don't actually believe anyone was seriously advocating violence, but wasn't there a great deal of anger here directed toward someone who said they'd like to hit Hillary Clinton in the head with a tire iron? Granted, she wasn't making fun of dead people, or horribly misrepresenting their viewpoints, but I think advocating violence, even in hyperbole, accomplishes nothing and just makes us look bad.

        "Calm," perhaps, isn't the word I'm looking for, and I'm not trying to put words in anyone's mouth. Getting angry, and making sure everyone knows why, is perfectly acceptable. My point was just that the message gets lost, and the messenger loses credibility, if you go to far.

        Bush/Cheney 04--Standing Up For What's Right (for us)!

        by Severian on Tue Jan 13, 2004 at 09:53:26 PM PST

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        •  Fair enough (none)
          I just don't like the whole "calm and rational" line of thinking and I thought you maybe didn't choose your words very well.  To be honest, it sounds like Dukakis.  I hear a lot of talk about violence and from the right these days, and not just the lunatic fringe.  WSJ even mentioning this makes me sick.  Ann Coulter invokes a deep, primal rage from the pit of my gut.  And so on.  It's not something that can be reasoned with.  I don't know what the proper response is, but my faith in political reason these days is limited.  
      •  Guess again (none)
        I don't know if you've been paying attention; but the time for being calm and rational has long since passed...our sociopathic shadow government is planning to put WMD in space while returned the masses to indentured servitude.

        WAKE UP.

        I remember Solzhenitsyn saying something in The Gulag Archipelago along the lines of...if'd we'd known what they were planning, we would have resisted with everything we had, but who could be believe that was necessary; no, better to just go along and calmly and rationally explain the situation - they're reasonable people,surely they'll see the mistake that they've made.

        Now is the time to resist with everything you have, soon it will be too late.

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