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  •  I am not a Montana, but... (6+ / 0-)

    I would like to see that seat remain in Democratic hands, and when all is said and done, I suspect that Senator Tester is our best hope toward attaining that result.

    •  expedience (3+ / 0-)
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      Angie in WA State, hannah, wsexson

      Expedience got us into this mess, and will keep us there.  Short term pain leading to a real liberal party is needed.  The sooner, the better.

      Apres Bush, le deluge.

      by melvynny on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 01:28:13 PM PST

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      •  Broader record (0+ / 0-)

        Before condemning Senator Tester, I would look at a broad array of issues, such as DADT, public option, etcetera.  I am curious as to whether Senator Tester supported DADT and the public option.  Ant Montanans or other Kos-sacks know the answer?

      •  I think folks like you forgot what short-term... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...pain feels like.

        If you want more of a real liberal party, convince more people to become liberals.

        The GOP: The Party of Failure. Pass it on.

        by Stephen Daugherty on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 01:48:33 PM PST

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        •  last 2 years (0+ / 0-)

          Have the last 2 years been euphoric?  Are we still at war in Iraqistan?  Has the Patriot Act been weakened?  Have Bush/Cheney been at least investigated?  

          Apres Bush, le deluge.

          by melvynny on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 01:53:28 PM PST

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          •  I would think... (0+ / 0-)

            ...that you would understand that you can't fight every fight at the same time.

            We need to change the ground game on the politics, persuade people not just to dump Republican candidates, but to dump the political positions that reinforce or at least render feasible such positions.

            If you don't, the political environment will reinforce the undesirable politics.  That's why the Republicans do what they do in the media and with the tea-baggers: it helps reinforce their power.

            We need to end that reinforcement from the general public.

            The GOP: The Party of Failure. Pass it on.

            by Stephen Daugherty on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 02:30:42 PM PST

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    •  It's stunning to read some of the comments here (4+ / 0-)
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      jmaier, jswift, feebog, yank2351

      I supported the Dream Act and I'm disappointed that Tester and some other Dems voted against it, but the demonization of Tester by Kos and some other commentators here is just ridiculous.

      Are we going to abandon ANY Democrat that doesn't pass a 100% purity test?

      Tester is a very solid progressive. Call him out on his vote, but don't call it a "betrayal" or suggest he and others should rot in hell.

      Gerardo -

      by orlandoreport on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 02:11:30 PM PST

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      •  Second That (1+ / 0-)
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        The comments here are way over the top.  I can understand the passion and the frustration, but this is a first term Dem from what is still a red state.  One of the few Red states where we hold both Senate seats.  We have a very tough electoal map for the Senate in 2012.  Very few opportunities for Republican pick ups and 23 seats to defend.  We could very well win back the House lose the Senate.  If you think the idea of the Boehner as House Speaker is repugnent, try on Mithch McConnell as Senate Leader for size.  Yet many of you are ready to help make that happen on the basis of one vote.  

        There is nothing wrong with making your displeasure at his vote clear, but don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

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