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  •  P.S. He did what a smart leader does...he... (22+ / 0-)

    ...waited until popular opinion was at its peak, set up a strategy of passing it by having the GOP look bad by voting against the Defense bill - twice - and then brought the stand-alone bill before the Senate when the GOP had no other choice but TO vote yes - and he was working the aisles like crazy. There have been several articles and interviews with people on the Hill who were witness to this.

    This attacking Obama shit is getting REALLY old considering the gigantic leaps forward he's made in the last 2 years for progressive causes.

    GROW. UP.

    May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house.

    by dasheight on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 02:07:41 PM PST

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    •  How about a link to these articles? (1+ / 0-)
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      Because so far, I haven't seen evidence that Obama deserves [i]any credit at all[/i] for DADT. It happened on his watch because he didn't actively oppose it. It seems to me that he's been too busy selling out the Left to be the political super ninja you claim.

    •  O rly? (3+ / 0-)
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      So what you're saying is that a "smart leader" is like that famous French radical who famously quipped "Those are my people: I must find out where they are going, so I can lead them"?

      That's not what I'd call leadership. In fact, I'd call it something far less flattering.

      And what, exactly, are those "gigantic" leaps forward that have been made in the last two years for progressive causes? I sure as fuck haven't seen any. Just a hell of a lot of crappy negotiations that always involve giving the Republicans everything they want and getting squat in return.

      •  "I sure as fuck haven't seen any." (6+ / 0-)

        Isn't this a diary about DADT?  Or does that no longer count, since Obama would get some amount of credit for it?

        "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

        by Geekesque on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 04:51:56 PM PST

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        •  No, sorry, as ever, you're wrong (0+ / 0-)

          DADT is not a "great leap" forward. It's a tiny step forward that will have limited effect--and one which should have been accomplished long before now. (Not that it has actually been accomplished, mind, since there is still the matter of the waiting period and the certifications to get out of the way--which could well defer the actual repeal until after the next president takes office.)

          And Obama had little if anything to do with DADT getting done--he gets credit for it only in that it happened while he happened to be president. Just like he will get credit for the monumental Democratic losses in the 2010 elections, the Gulf oil spill, and anything else that happens over the next two years.

          •  Yes, Obama gets blamed for all bad things (3+ / 0-)
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            and no credit for any good things, and if he gets credit for good things they're actually pretty meaningless.

            Man, you're really going to hate this site in 2012 when expressing intense personal animosity towards the President and the people who intend to vote for him and prevent a Republican from taking over the White House.

            I'll spare you the necessity of a reply:  We already have a Republican in the White House, nyuk nyuk nyuk.

            Seriously, you don't do issue discussion, you just come here to crap on Obama and his voters.

            "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

            by Geekesque on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 05:30:13 PM PST

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            •  As usual, you missed the point (0+ / 0-)

              If Obama gets to take credit for DADT repeal, then he also gets to take credit for everything else that happens while he happened to be in office--good, bad, or indifferent.

              I've been on this site longer than you have--and I'll be here long after you and the rest of the idolaters have gone--which will happen most likely before 2012. If you think the president has been coming in for criticism on this site so far, you ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait until he starts compromising with the new Republican Congress next year. With your thin skin, you won't be able to hack it well before the primaries start.

              •  Idolaters (sic)? Again, you smear people who (1+ / 0-)
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                disagree with you as "idolators" merely because they refuse to believe that OBAMASUX is not an all-encompassing piece of wisdom.

                I would daresay that he played a more active role in DADT than he did in the BP rig blowing up.  

                Obama is a flawed politician and human being who has made significant mistakes while in office, and will make more.

                But, he's also not the cartoonish combination of evil and ineptitude you and yours pretend he is.

                I don't see why you'd punish yourself by remaining at a website that will likely promote this man you so clearly want out of office in 2012.  

                "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

                by Geekesque on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 05:40:07 PM PST

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                •  Check your dictionary (0+ / 0-)

                  idolater, n.

                  Forms:  α. ME ydolatrour, ME–15 ydolatrer, ME–16 idolatrer, (15 ydolatrar, idolatrar). β. 15 ydolatre, ydolater, ydolatour, idoloter, 16– idolator, 15– idolater.... (Show More)
                  Etymology:  < Greek εἰδωλολάτρης (N.T.), idol-worshipper, gave ecclesiastical Latin (Tertullian) īdōlolatrēs, later -latra (see idololater n.), shortened in Romanic to idola′tra (Spanish idolatra, Portuguese idolatra, Italian idola′tro), Old French idolatre, ydolatre, whence (by confusion with the suffix -astre, -âtre) idolastre, idolâtre (see idolaster n. and adj.). The α form idolatrer, -rour, was either <Old French idolatre + agentive suffix -er, -our, or was a native formation < idolatr-y (compare astronom-y, -er, etc.) with same suffix; the β form idolater, -our, was either a phonetic simplification of idolatrer, -our, or < French idolatre, idolâtre....</p>

                  1. A worshipper of idols or images; one who pays divine honours to an image or representation of a god, or to any natural object as a deity.
                  1. An adorer, idolizer, devoted admirer of (some person or thing).

                  But, hey, what do the compilers of the Oxford English Dictionary know about spelling?

        •  It's not important, and should have been done (2+ / 0-)
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          a long time ago, and Obama had nothing to do with it, and it's not really repealed, and now I'm going to change the subject Gitmo mountaintop removal Gulf Oil spill midterms so there.

          Denounce someone else's lack of courage from safe distance and anonymously!

          by Inland on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 05:27:43 PM PST

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