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  •  Don't blame LGBTs for the tax cut deal. (4+ / 0-)

    None of us asked the president to make any such deal to get DADT on the path to repeal.  

    I know many on this site like to blame LGBTs for all sorts of things, like losing presidential and midterm elections, but please try to resist the temptation.  We asked for the repeal of DADT.  At no time did anyone in our community suggest that the president should extend the Bush tax cuts as a way of getting a vote on DADT.  The deals politicians make are their responsibility, not ours.

    Maladie d'Amour, Où l'on meurt d'Aimer, Seul et sans Amour, Sid'abandonné

    by FogCityJohn on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 03:59:50 PM PST

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    •  Uh (3+ / 0-)
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      I wasn't.  I really wasn't.  Just saying that without one, you couldn't get the other.  Same with UI benefits extension and the middle class tax cut extension.

      I am not blaming gays, nor the unemployed, nor the middle class.

      All I am asking is that folks accept that Obama made a deal, a complex deal helping a variety of issues.  He was not simply 'in office' when DADT passed.

      Making laws is like making sausage, and sadly, at the end of the day--we got DADT cause Collins, Snowe, and Brown got an tax cut extension for the rich.  It ain't the fault of the gays--its the fault of Snowe, Collins, and Brown, and the rich people who support them.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 04:03:46 PM PST

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      •  I'll accept your explanation . . . (2+ / 0-)
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        about your intent, but without further proof, I am unwilling to link the action on DADT to the tax cut deal.  

        By the way, the idea that the tax cut "compromise" was what allowed DADT to come to a vote tends to undercut the idea that Obama's "long-term" strategy was vindicated here.  You might want to rethink that.

        Maladie d'Amour, Où l'on meurt d'Aimer, Seul et sans Amour, Sid'abandonné

        by FogCityJohn on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 04:13:28 PM PST

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        •  Check my links (1+ / 0-)
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          for evidence of the deal.  They are in my first comment.  Snowe, Collins and Brown held DADT hostage over the tax compromise.

          There are reasonable arguments to be made that the tax compromise should never have been pushed to the lame duck session--thus avoiding becoming entangled with DREAM, DADT, START and some other things.  

          But, this is the detail everyone forgets.  Snowe and Collins were the votes that allowed for the last UI extension, demanding one short enough to end on December 1st (during the lame duck session).  Snowe and Collins have also been playing a long game to get all of these different things entangled in the lame duck session--so they could get the tax cuts extended for the rich.

          Its all fucking ugly, and fucking complex, but that is the nature of all of this.  Every bill in congress, is ultimately part of a larger bargaining 'package.'

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Mon Dec 20, 2010 at 04:19:39 PM PST

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