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  •  Listen, I hear what you're saying but as noted (3+ / 0-)
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    above, many if not most of these guys were turned in for a bounty.  They were not picked up in the middle of a battle.  Frankly, in the battles they have these days, the combatants end up dead or vanished - like Viet Nam, only more so.

    "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -Ben Franklin

    by IndieGuy on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 08:34:58 PM PST

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    •  Same generally applies throughout (3+ / 0-)
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      the war zone.

      When you catch a guy and think he's an enemy combatant there is no requirement to go through a judicial process to put him in a POW camp.

      •  That's true. (2+ / 0-)
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        But has there ever been such a thing as a never-ending war like the War on Terra?  The powers have all but announced that this will never end and we know it won't until the US crashes and the funds dry up.

        •  There have been plenty of long wars (0+ / 0-)

          The Vietnam War lasted 20 years.  The Korean War has now lasted 60 years.

          That's obviously very unpleasant for POWs and one would at least hope that POWs who are too old or too badly wounded to fight can be released but there is no obligation to do so and certainly no obligation to do so for combatants capable of returning to the battlefield.

          •  That statement shows the fallacy of your entire (0+ / 0-)

            argument:  "...combatants capable of returning to the battlefield."  There is no proof of any kind against most of these guys to indicate they're "combatants".  None.  You are simply accepting the word of some anonymous Bush-era bureaucrat.

            "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -Ben Franklin

            by IndieGuy on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 09:04:01 PM PST

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            •  Well, that's how it is normally done in wars (0+ / 0-)

              How many German or Japanese POWs do you think got taken in front of some kind of court to determine whether or not they were really combatants?

              •  None. The question never came up. (0+ / 0-)

                First, we were at war with their countries not their thoughts.  Second, virtually all combatants wore uniforms; those who didn't were held because we were - as noted above - at war with their countries, not their thoughts.

                For a better picture of how we treated "combatants" during WWII, look up the term Manzanar.  It might make you proud.  It should make you disgusted.

                "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -Ben Franklin

                by IndieGuy on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 09:16:02 PM PST

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                •  Your ignorance is showing (1+ / 0-)
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                  For a better picture of how we treated "combatants" during WWII, look up the term Manzanar.  It might make you proud.  It should make you disgusted.

                  Manzanar was a detention camp for Japanese Americans.

                  They were not alleged to be enemy combatants.

                  •  No shit, Sherlock. They were INNOCENT. (0+ / 0-)

                    Pay attention!

                    "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -Ben Franklin

                    by IndieGuy on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 09:33:03 PM PST

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                    •  Innocent of what? (0+ / 0-)

                      They were accused of being of Japanese ancestry, not ov being combatants or spies.

                      I'm not aware of claims that people who were not of Japanese ancestry were also thrown in the camps.

                      Issue here wasn't innocence.

                      It was whether or not Japanese ancestry was a valid justification for putting people in camps.

                •  There is actually ample precedent (0+ / 0-)

                  for holding combatants who are not fighting for countries.

                  Simple examples include North Koreans (we did not recognize North Korea as a country) and Confederate prisoners.

      •  I hate to rec you, but have to here. (1+ / 0-)
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        But, you support the enemy combatant system even though it has blaring inconsistencies with the Constitution.  

        Not trying to politicize this comment session, but purely from curiosity, are you a Blue Dog, Dem, or Republican?  

        Sarah Palin: All pistol and no squint.

        by CanyonWren on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 10:23:14 PM PST

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        •  Thanks... Blue Dog (0+ / 0-)

          Look, Constitution just doesn't apply here.

          There's never been a claim that the USG has to follow the Constitution outside of the US.

          For example, do you think that our searches of Iraqi homes comply with the Fourth Amendment?  Or that they are supposed to?

          Real issue here is treaty obligations under the Geneva Conventions and UN Human Rights Charter.

          When you argue the Constitution you're standing on smoke.

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