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  •  What's extraordinarly murky about the legal (2+ / 0-)
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    nicta, Big Tex
    issues here?

    THe answer by the way is that you are making shit up.

    I wish people would start being honest that what they call something is not what that thing is.

    There may be difficult political questions. But that has nothing to do with the legal issues involved as far as basic human rights laws go.

    •  What are 'basic human rights laws'? (0+ / 0-)

      No, really, tell me.  What governing body is responsible for making and enforcing 'basic human rights laws'?  They don't exist.  These prisoners aren't covered under any existing laws, not U.S. law, not the Geneva Convention. They don't belong to any nation.  We're making this up as we go.  Gitmo is an abomination and should have been closed.  But what do you do with people that will resume trying to kill Americans as soon as they get out when the evidence against them is inadmissible due to torture?  I'm not applauding the EO and worry that it will be applied to future scenarios, but at least it gives the prisoners access to lawyers and to the evidence against them.

      •  It's called the Universal Declaration (2+ / 0-)
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        of Human Rights, to which the United States is committed as a member of the UN:

        Article 2.

        Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

        Article 5.

        No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

        Article 9.

        No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

        Article 10.

        Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

        Proud member of the sanctimonious professional left and supporter of Wikileaks

        by Big Tex on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 12:54:59 PM PST

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      •  Good luck getting others (0+ / 0-)

        to apply the international law principles when it comes to US citizens based on legal principle. We may or may not be able to force it on political grounds, but if you are serious about your argument and ignore Big Tex's post, then you should  know what can of worms you are opening up

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