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  •  Obama should be impeached (8+ / 0-)

    there is no way around it.

    And in related news, on the front page right now is an article about how the banks can break and enter and steal, with no regard for the law.  And the WH does nothing but further enable these crimes against the People.

    Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. - Kenneth E. Boulding

    by Earth Ling on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 09:51:56 AM PST

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    •  Here's the sad thing (2+ / 0-)
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      If Obama is impeached, he would be replaced by politicians that agree with these policies.  

    •  Not only will he not (0+ / 0-)

      be impeached, but in two years we will all go to the polls and vote to return him to office.  Sic semper.

    •  has it occurred to anyone yet (2+ / 0-)
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      that impeachment for covering up for BushCo could very well be what Mr. Obama is being strong-armed with? And why black = white and up = down since he took office?

      "But...but...we'd have to prosecute Bushco too..." you might be saying to yourself. I did, at first. And we're probably in the ballpark with that. But the mere threat of impeachment of our current President--for aiding and abetting war criminals since he took office--may be enough to keep him in line.

      In this scenario, it might not matter which trial comes first, because Mr. Constitutional Scholar has already made an on-the-record statement relevant to this very thing.

      •  That's it! Thank you! (6+ / 0-)

        On my old PC that went kaflooey I had that article marked.  It was a year and a half before election day, and it was this article that made me determine I could not support Obama for president.

        "My issue" was impeachment and/or war crimes trials for Dumbya and Dickie.  As each person declared his/her presidential candidacy leading up to that endlessly boring '08 election, what their position was on impeachment or war crimes trials is the first thing I checked.

        All the major candidates did not support impeachment or war crimes trials and the false patriotism over the f***ing war just drove me bonkers.

        I planned to write in Kucinich's name; I liked his single-payer not-for-profit medical plan better anyway, never did support the windfall profits that will be going to insurance, medical, and pharmaceutical corporations.  Besides, for once I wanted to vote for someone I actually believed in, not vote for the lesser of two evils, which is still voting for evil.

        Then, three sentences into Caribou Barbie's VP nomination speech, my jaw dropped (literally) as I realized she was just possibly more incredibly stupid than Dumbya (only she doesn't realize how stupid she is because she still believes she can get by with her aging beauty queen looks and fool everyone as she rakes in big bucks, so she has proved she can profit off her looks for the last two years), and I knew I'd have to vote against her some way because she couldn't be allowed within walking distance of the Oval Office, so I filled in the oval next to Obama's name on election day.  It wasn't a vote "for" Obama, but a vote against Caribou Barbie.

        I was hoping I'd be wrong and that something would happen so that I could stop being ashamed and embarrassed for being an American..., and instead I'm more ashamed and embarrassed than ever that Obama has turned out to be such a dismal failure in all the constitutional, legal, ethical, moral, and honorable ways that count, as well as failing to abide by his oath of office.

        Siiiiiiigh....

        I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

        by NonnyO on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 11:50:09 AM PST

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        •  When I saw that (2+ / 0-)
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          I had the same reaction--no way can I support this.

          Oh, I voted for him. I was taken in, like we all were, by his passion and sincerity. I figured he just said what he said to USA Today to get elected--because anyone saying they'd prosecute Bush and Cheney didn't have a shot at the nomination--and he'd get around to justice, somehow, later on down the line.

          I'm such a sap...

          •  Like we all were? (3+ / 0-)
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            Speak for yourself.  Obama didn't do anything while in the Senate to attempt to impeach Bush or Cheney.  Few Democrats did, and none of them were on my state's primary ballot.  I trust this lot of Democrats about as far as I can throw them, and that includes Pelosi for taking impeachment off the table.  

          •  Sorry if I came off as rude (3+ / 0-)
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            I am just so incredibly ticked off at our government's policies.

            •  I'm not sure I understand it at all (2+ / 0-)
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              I know Obama did nothing to impeach them--that's the overall point!

              I'm a sap for thinking he'd do it anyway, after he said what he said in that article. Sorry if I didn't make that clear enough...

              •  What can I say? (3+ / 0-)
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                I voted for Obama for one reason, and one reason only - I thought McCain would invade Iran, and had to be stopped.  Otherwise I would have gone 3rd party.  

                I think a lot of people were looking at what Obama represented, and didn't look very closely at his policies.  Or hoped he was just saying stuff to get elected.  I tend to assume the worst of politicians until proven otherwise, and assumed the worst about Obama as well based on his track record in Illinois and in the Senate.  Lot of talk, little action.

                I have to admit, I'm surprised by some of the stuff that Obama has done regarding our foreign policy. I really didn't think he'd expand the drones and targeted assassinations.  I knew he'd expand the war, but I didn't think he'd do it this way.

                •  At the end of the day (3+ / 0-)
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                  we both voted for the guy, though, didn't we? It doesn't matter why. And yeah, that pisses me off, too.

                  And he was the best we could do. Really? No, really?

                  See my thread just below with NonnyO--we could have done a lot fucking better. So kill your tv and anyone pushing the "electability" crap next time out. Because crap is what that is...

                  •  You're right (2+ / 0-)
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                    I feel bad about voting for Obama now.  By the time the primaries came around to my state, many had already withdrawn from the race.  (Which may speak to a need to reform our primary systems.)  I should have voted 3rd party.  I really hate voting between the lesser of two evils; I'm not doing it again.

          •  I wasn't taken in.... (1+ / 0-)
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            I noticed early on Obama spoke well and said absolutely nothing (ditto Hillary)..., but a lot of people read into his words what they wanted to hear and interpreted what he said totally wrong.

            Those who jumped on the bandwagon were in no mood to listen to reason.

            I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

            by NonnyO on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 12:14:31 PM PST

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            •  well, (3+ / 0-)
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              I guess "taken in" isn't the right way to describe it--I thought the article showed exactly why we shouldn't elect him, but as you note, no one was listening to reason by then.  

              Especially here--IIRC, this is the place that excoriated Kucinich for running at all (he was my primary choice, too).

              •  True.... (2+ / 0-)
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                The Other Candidate who had the ears that stuck out was laughed at because he filed three impeachment resolutions..., and the Very Serious people here discounted the whole thing, their hair spontaneously started on fire, and they screeched "but we're in the middle of election season; it can wait" - no one looked to see if Obama would go along with impeachment or war crimes.  They just laughed at the elfin Kucinich with the ears and the hot wife, never listening to his words or reading anything he wrote.

                We who supported a serious candidate who had a better chance at abiding by his oath of office waited....

                For nothing.

                It all just makes me very sad, and more embarrassed and ashamed of being an American than I was in December 2000 when SCOTUS gave the election to Dumbya.

                Every time he turns around, Obama does something by the Repuke and Corporate Rule Book, entirely disregarding his oath of office, and it is accelerating our headlong race to total fascism.

                Sad.  Sad.  Sad.

                I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

                by NonnyO on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 12:34:15 PM PST

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