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  •  How about listening to Middle Easterners? (1+ / 0-)
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    Since we're the ones, by and large, who are being affected by this?  

    The people who are saying go ahead and torture/kill?  Coming from just about every ethnic and religious group in the nation, including Middle Easterners!  I find it slightly insulting to assume that only "white" Americans are OK with Obama's treatment of terror suspects.  This isn't just about elites, it's about the majority of Americans (of all races and religions) who have absolutely no issues with the policies that Bush started and Obama has continued.  

    If the original poster of this thread had pointed out that people of European ancestry suspected of terrorism were getting better treatment than others, than I may have been OK with that.  But that's not what he said; instead he said that whites were OK with this treatment.  Which is frankly untrue, as the ACLU and CCR (both staffed mainly by people of European ancestry) are fighting these issues.  

    •  Here's an article (0+ / 0-)

      from The Atlantic Monthly describing how a "white guy" deliberately tried to provoke the TSA into treating him as though he was a terrorist (but was unable to do so!!).

      It basically debunks all your bunk.

      •  Please read what I wrote again. (1+ / 0-)
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        I specifically said that if you had pointed out that European terror suspects were getting better treatment than those of Middle Eastern origin, than I may be OK with that.  But you didn't.  You implied that only whites are for the way that we're being treated.  You also implied that all white men agreed with the treatment of Middle Eastern detainees.  Sorry, but that is just NOT true.  And not all Middle Easterners disagree with how terror suspects are being treated.  (Not everyone in my family disagrees with it.) And not all white men agree with Bush and Obama's policies - the group to bring the court cases have been dominated by white men.

        Darrell Issa, the only Arab in Congress?  Voted to reauthorize the PATRIOT Act.  And to expand FISA.  So please don't pretend that this is all about someone being of Western European ancestry or not, because it isn't that simple.  Look at what people are saying about Julian Assange - some have called for his assassination as a "terrorist."  

        •  No, what I said if that whites as a demographic (0+ / 0-)

          gave a damn, things would be different.

          You can say whatever you want about Arabs in this country - but (and if Wikipedia is correct) they comprise about 1.3% (4 million) of the population.

          Therefore quite frankly, their views one way or another are utterly irrelevant.  One point three percent of the population does not strike fear into into politician . ..

          •  That's not what you said (1+ / 0-)
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            You may have implied the above, but you didn't say it, and that's not how it came across.   You said, "But perhaps white males don't take it seriously because this type of thing doesn't happen to them."   Some white men DO take this seriously.  Your portrayal of all white men as one big monolithic group is what I object to.  I agree with most of everything else you have said, including the racist overtones.

            If a significant minority (and I'm not talking about numbers here), regardless of race, gave a damn, things would be different.  Right now, few people care.  If a larger number of whites cared, things would be exactly the same because frankly the population of this nation is irrelevant politically.  If the richest 1.3% cared, things might be different.  And really, if Saudi Arabia gave a damn, we'd be singing a very different tune right now.  They don't care, hence, nothing here changes.  The fact that Middle Easterners are a small percentage of the population is irrelevant; a lot of other groups that are less than 5% politically relevant.  Numbers are irrelevant; what matters is the power behind the numbers.  

          •  Forgot to add (0+ / 0-)

            I'm a little sicked by the American population as a whole, who don't seem to give a damn about this issue period.  

          •  No, what you said was: (0+ / 0-)

            But perhaps white males don't take it seriously because this type of thing doesn't happen to them

            Nice try.

            "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -Ben Franklin

            by IndieGuy on Wed Dec 22, 2010 at 01:58:13 PM PST

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            •  And hours later, you have yet to (0+ / 0-)

              supply any evidence of "white people" being detained at Gitmo.

              Quite frankly, me and my fellow white trash compatriots don't find your (and machojava's) allegations of Arabs being "white people" all that convincing . ..

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