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  •  no, not intersex (0+ / 0-)

    't' is not intersex.  GID is not an intersex disorder, so please take it out of this diary.  This is the third time on DKos that I have seen diaries by transsexuals insisting that it is the same as or includes intersex.  It doesn't.

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    by louisev on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 07:54:25 AM PST

    •  I made a distinction between transsexuals (3+ / 0-)

      And the intersexed. You read what you expected to read.

      "Transgendered" is a sort of catch all for those who don’t conform to gender "norms" and range from cross dressers to professional impersonators to transsexuals to the intersexed and all sorts of variations among them

      I respect your opinion but you misread what I wrote.

      "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

      by MargaretPOA on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:00:03 AM PST

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      •  i read it correctly (0+ / 0-)

        you are mistaken.  You yourself may be both intersexed and transgendered but 'transsexual' is not a 'catch all' that includes intersex.  See my link, which explains.

        "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

        by louisev on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:02:12 AM PST

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    •  Gender identity has little to do with intersex (2+ / 0-)

      Intersex individuals can identify with their "assigned" sex, the opposite sex, neither or both.

      So the inclusion is neither relevant or irrelevant.
      Intersex conditions can certainly affect someones identity in regard to assignment, but don't always do so.

      In fact contrary to what the GID "lobby" and the ISNA "lobby" would have you believe, the jury is still out as whether or not, and to what extent, GID is an inherited condition, and if so, is having a "soul" at odds with your body  really no different with having a body at odds with ones genetic makeup?

      I guess it depends on your agenda.

      "As God is my witness, I thought wingnuts could fly."

      by Niniane on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:07:44 AM PST

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      •  whether or not gid is inherited (0+ / 0-)

        the 'inherited' part of intersex is not the distinguishing feature.  It's the treatment and outcomes that are vastly different.  The only relationship between intersex and transgender and/or transsexualism is that there are some intersex that are transgender or transsexual, and the vast majority - who are not.

        "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

        by louisev on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:10:29 AM PST

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        •  Depending on your definition of ... (2+ / 0-)

          gender variance (trans-gender in the broadest sense), one could argue that we all are somewhere in the middle, rather than clumped on the ends.

          So the question really is, are Intersex folks more or less likely to diverge (toward the middle) from the "normal" distriburion on the gender identity curve?

          My experience says yes.

          Correlation? Sure. Causation? Not necessarily.

          But please don't state as fact what science is still debating.

          "As God is my witness, I thought wingnuts could fly."

          by Niniane on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:17:08 AM PST

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          •  nothing to do with gender identity (0+ / 0-)

            the answer is no.  Most intersex identify as either male or female.

            "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

            by louisev on Thu Dec 23, 2010 at 08:18:24 AM PST

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