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  •  I'm going for nuance here don't hold anything (4+ / 0-)
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    against me, but do you think there might be occasions when Black or any other minority people would like to sit in a room and not have to say prove white privilege exists?  The reason why I say that is there are some issues that are Black related and in order to sit in the group you may need the same background.  Not to say that Cohen is not an excellent representative fully mature in his thinking on race, but it's the background thing.  Sometimes executive thinking needs to be made and perhaps bringing our non black allies up to speed is just not appropriate not that you aren't with us, but we got to think amongst ourselves.

    For example from wiki

    There are two Hispanics caucuses: The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, for Hispanic Democrats, and the Congressional Hispanic Conference, for Hispanic Republicans. Congressional Republicans formerly belonged to the Hispanic Caucus but later split off to form the Hispanic Conference. The Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus is for Asian American and Pacific Islander American members, but is not exclusive to such members.

    Now in the hispanic caucus immigration must be a huge issue.  Why should they accept membership from say a non hispanic Dem that might say support prop 1070 or one of those dicks that voted against the Dream Act.

    I am Blackwaterdog! I support Barack Obama and the Democratic Party!! Want some? Get some SUCKERS!!!

    by Adept2u on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 09:24:39 AM PST

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    •  Do we even know though what the views (0+ / 0-)

      of Scott and West are on issues of privilege and racism? Is it too much to suggest that AAs who are pleased to belong to a party that embraces the fucking teabaggers might not themselves have "fully mature" views on this stuff? (I have no idea; I'm seriously asking.)

      When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

      by PhilJD on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 09:36:47 AM PST

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      •  I don't know the individual congressmans views (2+ / 0-)
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        However I can be pretty sure that should they want a taxi in New York and weren't wearing their Congressional pledge pin they would have a hard time hailing one as well.  So if the CBC wanted to pass a law stating that racism by cabbies will be unacceptable I think they could have a stake in that regardless of their ideology.

        I will say I see something interesting here.  I have seen many times when "progressives" have tried to find common ground with teabaggers for their own purposes.  What if the CBC could make those 2 members more progressive?  Wouldn't that be a good thing?  Why is it ok to demand or to even care who is in the CBC if Cohen wanted to for example he could start another caucus for the rights of Black people, and I'm actually confident alot of the current CBC would join.  Now the reason I don't think that is going to happen is the point really isn't the advancement of causes and issues important to the Black community, it's a bit of a stupid pissing contest imho.

        I am Blackwaterdog! I support Barack Obama and the Democratic Party!! Want some? Get some SUCKERS!!!

        by Adept2u on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 09:46:27 AM PST

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        •  There's no question that the reality of (1+ / 0-)
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          white privilege affects Scott and West every bit as it does any other AA. It doesn't follow though that they necessarily incorporate an understanding of privilege into their world-view. They may, and they should, but the ability of humans to look past reality that undermines their ideology is quite remarkable.

          White folks should understand how they benefit from privilege, but of course, not all of us do.

          When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill...

          by PhilJD on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 09:54:47 AM PST

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        •  I don't question Cohen's motivation.. (2+ / 0-)
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          to join the CBC.
          He represents a largely minority district and likely will for years to come. Perhaps he wants to involve himself fully in the issues that concern his constituents?

          Now I can understand why, in spite of his sincere desire to join, the CBC might still disallow his membership. It's an interesting debate. But what of Rep. Cohen's constituents who, at the moment, don't have a voice within the CBC?

          They call him Machete...

          by dclawyer06 on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 10:27:38 AM PST

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          •  Nothing is stopping him (1+ / 0-)
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            So Cohen starts the Congressional friends of the Black electorate.  The entire CBC joins.  How is he damaged?  Why does membership in that particular club have to be important, and why is it only the Black caucus that has it's membership and or goals questioned?  I ask because I believe the CBC is the most progressive one in the congress however I don't think anyone actually listens to them or thinks about them unless some kind of "reverse racism" meme is being pushed.

            BTW membership in the CBC would be one of the things the Black electorate thought of when electing it's representatives.  If it were all that important we wouldn't elect white legislators.  Now me personally Barack Obama is the first Black person I've ever had the opportunity to vote for for any office, so I don't think it's all that big a problem.

            I am Blackwaterdog! I support Barack Obama and the Democratic Party!! Want some? Get some SUCKERS!!!

            by Adept2u on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 10:51:54 AM PST

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    •  I certainly won't hold it against you, bud... (2+ / 0-)
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      You've given me a lot to chew on.
      Let me think on it, particularly this which I didn't know:

      There are two Hispanics caucuses: The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, for Hispanic Democrats, and the Congressional Hispanic Conference, for Hispanic Republicans.

      They call him Machete...

      by dclawyer06 on Tue Dec 28, 2010 at 09:41:09 AM PST

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