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  •  The 100th monkey story probably is a metaphorical (13+ / 0-)

    way of noticing something real but subtle about living in a complex system with many emergent exponential behaviors based on underlying feedback structure.

    Imagine a field with millions of flowers each blossoming in response to the yearly weather, moisture, tempeture, etc.  

    Some sporadic outliers on the bell curve may blossum way to soon, with only one drop of rain, and be the precursers of a species that survives in deserts or something.

    But, by the time one sees 100 flowers bloom, then we may intuitively correctly predict we will soon see millions within the week.

    Maybe this is what Mao Tse Tung was thinking when he said, "let a thousand flower bloom" launching the era of cultural freedom, and open expression.

    Then a year later, he declared the cultural revolution over and arrested all the dissadent who took his invitation and send them to workers rehabilitation camps on the farms.  

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 10:13:10 AM PST

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    •  It was a lie. (7+ / 0-)

      The 100th monkey was predicated on alleged experiments that there was a critical mass at which time specific knowledge was mystically (i.e. via an unknown mechanism) transmitted. However, it was all made up to support support the conclusion and metaphor that that the writers wished to make. It was wrong and sort of obscene. Like "if you cut taxes for the rich, the economy will be stimulated." This was promulgated without an iota of proof, and was originally called "voodoo economics," but it is now part of our culture and political reality.

      This is not to say that there are not powerful cultural shifts, like the one that lead to the repeal of DADT, which would never have taken place in a strictly political context.

      "How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity." William S Burroughs

      by shmuelman on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 10:46:23 AM PST

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      •  I rec your comment in the Holiday spirit of DKOS (6+ / 0-)

        and Democratic Party unity, and good conversation, shmuelman, not because I agree with your metaphorical hard line position that flexible use of metaphors rather than "hard" science leads to inferrior thought processes, or enables right-wing demogaugery.

        Maybe such negative consequences do happen, but it depends on the sophistication of the writer, and audience.

        Who was it that wrote that book called "Myths, Models, and Paradigms," where he posited that the modern use of computer simulation and other mathematical models to discuss social policy was, in reality, a sophisticated use of social metaphors.

        As long as we understand whats going on, these can be powerful levers of social change.

        I've often wondered if that's what some progressives too often forget in our contests with the right.

        Many of their arguments are grounded in a tribalistic logic of "us versus them" so the recipients know what something means before they even get the "facts."  Like in McCluens The Media is the Message.

        But, we get frustrated because the same folks seem impervioius to our more scientifically correct, or constructive facts.

        But, the sad obstacle is that our post-tribalistic social models the socioligist tell us are more advanced, like the "rule of law not men," and "merit as the basis of hiring and promotion" rather than nepotism.    And the idea that diversity once correctly integrated is more powerful than homogeniety.

        These ideas don't make sense to some folks, because, they have no real life grounding in it, so can't use this as a metaphorical-intuitive way to realize that progressive thinking is more advanced than retro-gressive GOP thinking.

        Whatever....   just saying.


        PS I mean this in the nicest possible way - like advancing collective thinking through group hypthosis testing, not in a confliction, snooty way.

        But, I realize only now I was sub-consciously invoking social acedemic metaphor of "we're all better off and more likely to find the truth through rigorous challenge and debate of ideas, than not."

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 11:17:42 AM PST

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        •  Thanks for the response. (1+ / 0-)
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          My comments were more limited than your discussion. Keyes wanted to prove that there is a Universal Consciousness, so he made this stuff up, and profited greatly from the New Age teachings he espoused that were so big in the 70's. Parables are good, parables are great. The great Chassidists used parables extensively (and so did Jesus). But they did not try to back them up with dubious research.
          I only mention this because I am against the fantasy aspect of "spirituality," which I believe to be highly damaging to us personally, and collectively as a group.
          BTW I am a religious person and not a strict rationalist, in case I am giving that impression, but that is a vast discussion and way past a comment on DKos.

          "How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity." William S Burroughs

          by shmuelman on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 07:24:43 PM PST

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      •  Not true. (11+ / 0-)

        It was a real scientific study.

        disinformation is trying to tamp down the discovery of

        Universal Consciousness.  

        See my very long comment downstream.

        If we each understood our power, we can change the world.

        Those who use this power for the selfish pursuits of power and greed don't want us to know what they know about Universal Consciousness.

        Trust me on this one.  I read the study back in the 1970s.

        I also posted a diary w/the comment inspired by Xxdr's great diary.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 12:15:21 PM PST

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        •  Right on fellow travellor, right on! (1+ / 0-)
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          All of these comments are great discussions, even the ones I appear to be challenging.  

          This is great fun, IMO.

          And, constructive too, as we all learn from vigorous, well stated positions on any variety of diverse topics.  

          We are in the process of creating new ways of thinking and intrepreting the world around us, and adapting more successful, compassionate, mindful, and sustainable collective social system paradigm.

          Keep up the great work.


          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 03:53:46 PM PST

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        •  The Bah Humbuggers can piss off! :o) (0+ / 0-)

          The story is based on a well-documented primatological event. In 1952, some researchers gave sweet potatoes to a group of 22 snow monkeys on Koshima Island. Imo, a young female, washed her potato in the ocean before eating it.  In time, the other monkeys learned this behavior (Imo's young peers followed her lead, the 'wise elders' were the last to use this technique, until they adapted they were eating sand-encrusted sweet potatoes - heh). This knowledge transfer was a learning process that took time to spread throughout the troop . Eventually, potato washing among troop members became common.  And then, the technique of washing the sweet potatoes "jumped" across the straights to other snow monkeys on a separate island, reflecting the expanded group consciousness.

          Ken Keyes, The Hundredth Monkey.

          Here's hoping we silly humans can spontaneously expand our consciousness and transform beyond some of the greedy, short-sighted crap we're doing to each other.

          Rock on WoE!

          The Republican motto: "There's been a lot of progress in this country over the last 75 years, and we've been against all of it." ~ Hillbilly Dem's 78-yo Dad

          by JVolvo on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 06:00:13 PM PST

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          •  I agree with your outlook. (0+ / 0-)

            There are clear ways to disengage from a materialistic life, but it takes a lifetime of work. We live in the extension of the Roman Empire (or Babylon as the Rastas say).

            "How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity." William S Burroughs

            by shmuelman on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 07:29:57 PM PST

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        •  I can only say that you should (1+ / 0-)
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          do further research. My understanding was that Keyes apologized for mischaracterizing the results of the research, which were not clear cut in their conclusion. I am also not saying he was wrong...

          "How I hate those who are dedicated to producing conformity." William S Burroughs

          by shmuelman on Sun Dec 26, 2010 at 07:26:43 PM PST

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