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  •  As a historian, and (17+ / 0-)

    scholar of many genocide and Holocaust classes, this diary makes my blood boil.

    •  I've read a hundred books on the Holocaust... (14+ / 0-)

      ...and Nazi Germany.  This guy truly has no clue.

      When you've truly lost everything, at least you become rich in loss.

      by dov12348 on Thu Dec 30, 2010 at 04:27:45 PM PST

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      •  Same here dov. (9+ / 0-)

        It is obvious that he has not read Raul Hilberg, Wiesel, Dawidowicz, Goldhagen, and others.

        •  Not to mention Peter Novick, David Stannard, (6+ / 0-)

          James E. Young, Dominick LaCapra, etal

          Volumes and volumes have been written on the subject. There are PhD programs in Comparative Genocide, Oxford publishes a journal on the subject (Holocaust and Genocide Studies), many reputable universities host Centers for Holocaust and Genocide Studies. This is not the stuff of an off-the-cuff-Dkos diary, to be sure

          Sounds to me like the author is just beginning to engage with the subject in a critical way, and my suggestion would be...get to googlin, then get to the library! ;-)

          People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered: forgive 'em anyway. --anonymous

          by b4uknowit on Thu Dec 30, 2010 at 04:52:36 PM PST

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          •  I forgot about (2+ / 0-)
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            those authors.  Thanks for the reminder.

            •  you are welcome. I might add that those who (4+ / 0-)
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              are knee-jerk lobbing donuts and ad homs at the author appear equally uninformed, and the whole thing reflects the degree to which debate and discourse on this site has degenerated to the point where I'm surprised if we'd be able to talk about the weather without unleashing a shitstorm:

              FWIW, a dated and necessarily incomplete bibliography

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              People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered: forgive 'em anyway. --anonymous

              by b4uknowit on Thu Dec 30, 2010 at 05:15:03 PM PST

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          •  The hardest read for me was Philip (3+ / 0-)
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            Muller's "Eyewitness Auschwitz". He (Muller) was a Hungarian Jew on-duty in the actual chambers. Yes, they had Jews loading Jewish bodies into the ovens. It is the single most gripping read and I've read maybe 50-75 books on the topic.

            "People don't eat in the long run-- they eat every day." Harry Hopkins (who ran FDR's FERA program)

            by hester on Thu Dec 30, 2010 at 05:19:57 PM PST

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            •  heh. I spent two years translating from the (5+ / 0-)

              German original source documents from the Nazi era--you got it: Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Rosenberg, Krieck. It was for an "oppositional" project, edited by two of the country's most respected Jewish scholars.

              So maybe I'm just inured to it.

              I tell you what: the worst days of my life were the days I had a Hitler speech on my desk and a Bush speech on the tube. The parallels were, um, striking?

              At any rate, yeah, the diary's poorly researched, but many of the points in the diary have been argued (with sources upon sources upon sources) and it's not like this is anything new.
              Had the diarist done his/her homework, he'd have known that anything with "myth" and "holocaust" in the same breath was going to be incendiary, and rightly so.

              But, as I said below, the folks loosing their trollhouse cookie recipes over this display an equal degree of ignorance on the subject.

              I vote we all step out here, go to the library and read up on the subject.

              People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered: forgive 'em anyway. --anonymous

              by b4uknowit on Thu Dec 30, 2010 at 05:28:30 PM PST

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        •  Some of the most horrific... (4+ / 0-)

          ...and tension-filled were the first-hand accounts - eg, from Lodz, Warsaw, survivors of the concentration camps.  It's like you're right there with them, day-to-day, hour-to-hour, not knowing what's right around the corner.

          When you've truly lost everything, at least you become rich in loss.

          by dov12348 on Thu Dec 30, 2010 at 04:59:21 PM PST

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        •  Yup, but he very clearly has read (0+ / 0-)

          David Irving and the Collected Works of Mahmoud Ahmedinejad.

          In loving memory: Sophie, June 1, 1993-January 17, 2005. My huckleberry friend.

          by Paul in Berkeley on Fri Dec 31, 2010 at 05:25:38 PM PST

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