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  •  Why are people offended? (0+ / 0-)

    Many Jews insist on the uniqueness of Jewish suffering. I imagine many Christians insist on it, too, as a sign of God's unique relationship with the Jews, or maybe as a way of ignoring Christian (and Jewish) involvement in other holocausts. But I guess I know more Jews. I had a Jewish student once whom I just could not convince that there had been other genocides in history. I didn't want to waste time on him in class, so I just mentioned Darfur and a few other recent examples, but he hadn't heard of them and thus wasn't convinced. Now I wish that I'd pointed out that the Jewish genocide wasn't unique to the Nazi Holocaust, since Gypsies were also targeted, and told him to search "Amalek" in the Bible to find another example of a people singled out for extermination.

    •  That's not what I am saying (0+ / 0-)

      they have a right to own that situation as horrible. My question is different. I don't see the diarist as denying that per se. Having talked to others I sense the issue is that he also says some stupid shit which doesn't help his case as far as what he wants to say, but I am not sure if that stupid shit is about being a bigot as much as trying to make his point about the mythologizing the horror in ways that lose its meaning.

      •  Are they just doing it to attract attention? (0+ / 0-)

        is my question.

        They have certainly succeeded, and gotten people to jump all over the diary without reading it. Certainly the insistence that the Holocaust, especially the Jewish Holocaust, was unique and sui generis in history is counterproductive to preventing more genocide, but the insistence that it was uniquely Western, as the diarist also claims, is used by others, most importantly Muslims, to deny not only their own prejudice but their own history of anti-Semitism.

        I smell an ulterior motive in this diary, but I'm not sure what it is.

        •  I disagree with you in part, agree in part (1+ / 0-)
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          I think that anyone who goes through events like that as a group have a common experience that they all have a right to share. Its not about attention. Its bout the emotional connection that naturally comes from the horor of having to go through that. It is passed down because everyone you know has been somehow a part of it. Its natural. Its about on some level truly not wanting it to happen again for many. Over time, that connection of the reasons why the stories are told is lost and what's left becomes less about the lessons of history. And on that level is where we meet again

          As for other groups- yes, the diarist is wrong, but also its a bit complicated as far as history goes given the far flung reach of the west, but then ther eare other examples that would make it clear its about human nature and limited resources rather than the west.

          •  I meant the diarist when I said "they" (0+ / 0-)

            I'm not going to guess at gender, and don't pay that much attention to it anyway. I meant that the diarist had attempted to get attention by writing the most provocative diary they could imagine, and had certainly succeeded. I think everyone on D-Kos at this hour has had at least one button pushed. Many several.

            As for you final point, I agree. Western civilization is just the most recently successful of many that have shown the human propensity for violence, especially against anyone seen as an "other" in competition.

        •  All that I read in relation to that was that he (0+ / 0-)

          was supportive of Muslims' statements that Europe was responsible for the holocaust and not Muslims.
          He didn't deny anti-Semitism in the Islamic world. He did suggest that current Islamic resistance to Israel is based on its identity as a Western colonial outpost, not on its Jewishness.
          We know that all sides use religious differences to "inflame the masses."

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