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  •  Thanks coldblue, (none)
    that's the link on the vote... I was referring to the link quoting Boxer and Biden... I can't find IT, but did find this one, and sorry, I don't know how to do hyperlinks or embedded links

    http://www.nationalcatholicreporter.org/washington/wnb042804.htm

    I was so upset with Boxer I could not praise her signing the letter (Conyers and Tubb-Jones had worked so hard and got nothing in the way of thanks) --- but I finally came around when she opposed Rice and then Gonzales.

    Well, Negroponte makes Gonzales look like an altar boy (yes, I'm sure he probably was one!)...

    Anyway, we have to oppose and force down this appointment. Namaste

    An unexamined life is not worth living - Socrates

    by crone on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 08:30:30 AM PST

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    •  Here is Boxer (none)
      on the nomination.
      Mrs. BOXER. Mr. President, at 5 o'clock we are going to vote on whether to confirm Mr. Negroponte to be our Ambassador. I want to make clear a couple of points. I voted against Mr. Negroponte for the very issues Senator Harkin talked about in his history when he was in Latin America, during what I believed to be a massive coverup of human rights abuses, which was very troubling. When Mr. Negroponte went there, there was a meeting with him and I said: You are now in a new job, and although I am not voting for you, I want to work with you. We did work together on a treaty banning child soldiers. He worked very well with us on that. There were times when I called him to talk about issues of concern and he was very accommodating.

         I am going to vote for him today to give him another chance at a job that is so dangerous and so worrisome, because we have a policy in Iraq that is not working. He is willing to go there. I give him tremendous credit for that and I give credit to his family. I also think his ties with people in the United Nations, as we try to get more nations involved, could be helpful. I am not sure, but it could be helpful.

      •  Tack that on your wall (none)
        Nothing quite captures the limitations of the Democratic Party and the folly of progressives placing hope in it than this statement from the supposed tribune of progressives, Barabara Boxer.

        Boxer KNOWS who this scumbag is. She KNEW what his appointment to Iraq repreented. She voted for him because "that is what is done." Because maintaining the appearances of unity among the elite trumps basic human decency.

        Thats why I don't send roses to politicians.

        "Tell no lies. Claim no easy victories." -- Amilcar Cabral

        by Christopher Day on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 12:21:39 PM PST

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    •  collective amnesia (4.00)
      Crone, thanks for the link, from which we find the following quote:

      "....Said Birns: "This is a man with a deeply flawed history who was directly involved in people dying as a result of his decisions. For there to be near collective amnesia on this issue really represents a low moment in public rectitude in this country."

      Collective amnesia is an apt description of the Democrats when it comes to facing up to who exactly is in the Bush administration: it consists to a large degree of ex-Nixon/Ford/Reagan/Bush (1) officials: Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Poindexter (ok he's gone now, but not for long)...

      londonyank had a diary on kos about this recently.

      It raises a fundamental question: why were these guys not purged permanently or made politically radioactive the first time around? What exactly does an official have to do to become too tainted to be allowed access into the revolving door of the military-industrial complex? Why is the threshhold so low, and why are there not more effective laws to permanently "disbar" these criminals? There are no checks and balances regulating these people, and that's why the corruption is so rife. Furthermore, none of the scandals since Watergte have resulted in a real purging of these rogue elements. Because the Dems were made so submissive due to 9/11, look what's happened. But the roots are even deeper than 9/11: they go back to the cold war clandestine state that built itself up in the 60s, 70s, 80s.

      •  Gnat, I couldn't agree more. (none)
        I was living and listening during the Iran-Contra years (and before)... heard every word of the hearings. Couldn't believe they gave Reagan a pass. But I thought how much he resembled the family grandfather... my Dad brought that to my attention... and many were afraid to stand up to that public image. But on relection, having read so much of the history --- I see Poppy's hand way back there. And when jr came in with all his father's retreads (his father's mouthpiece Baker acting again in his behalf this time, to CLAIM the throne, so to speak) I thought people will see through this. Nope! What happened in the South when poppy was elected is that a lot of good Demos in the Congress stepped down, retired. I wonder now if the skeletons had been pinpointed in their closets. I wonder about those in the Congress now. The psyc ops are evident in this regime, and extend much deeper than we observe.

        Something evil cometh this way.

        An unexamined life is not worth living - Socrates

        by crone on Thu Feb 17, 2005 at 09:27:46 AM PST

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        •  the lesson (none)
          for me is that "scandal fatigue" is BS: America has NEVER had a scandal that amounted to making real legislative change to the root problem of how these operators for the military-industrial complex. Even Watergate itself failed to really untap what was happening: E Howard Hunt was involved in the JFK murder, mark my words, and Nixon knew that Watergate might dig up what he called all "that Bay of Pigs stuff"....Nixon called the Warren Commission the biggest hoax in history. I am becoming tinfoil more for a reason: clearly America has never really had a scandal that shook the foundations. Every potential scandal since Watergate has effectively been diverted or failed to address the fundamental issues of how corruption in Washington, rather than lessening, now flourishes more than ever. I mean this administration is the literal and figurative refuse/outgrowth of almost 50 years worth of back-room top-secret cold-war bullshit.

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