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  •  and pushing corporate interests is (0+ / 0-)

    just dandy for you?

    I guess the NYTimes did a 3page story on this because it's just natural?

    Hannity would love that line of reasoning

    "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

    by cedar park on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 07:39:17 PM PST

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    •  Oh come on. Comparing me to Hannity? (1+ / 0-)
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      Nice, ceder park. Nice. That's being fair!

      Did you even read the NYT story? If you had, you'd have found this:

      The United States economy, said Robert D. Hormats, under secretary for economic affairs at the State Department, increasingly relies upon exports to the fast-growing developing world — nations like China and India, as well as those in Latin America and the Middle East.

      So pushing sales of big-ticket items like commercial jets, earth-moving equipment or power plants (or stepping in to object if an American company is not being given a fair chance to bid) is central to the Obama administration’s strategy to help the nation recover from the recession.

      Boeing earns about 70 percent of its commercial plane sales from foreign buyers, and is the single biggest exporter of manufactured goods in the United States. Every $1 billion in sales — and some of these deals carry a price tag of as high as $10 billion — translates into an estimated 11,000 American jobs, according to the State Department.

      That's a win. We do that sometimes. Sometimes the USA wins. I hope I never get to where I don't see that as a positive. If you're upset because every single thing within the Wikileaks releases don't count against our country or paint us in a bad light, then I just have to guess you'll get over that.

      It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

      by Fishgrease on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 07:48:24 PM PST

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      •  Except for the corruption (4+ / 0-)
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        Fishgrease, there's a very important story which I briefly diaried here about corruption in US overseas sales of military stuff. The same story obtains with civilian, though not as extreme.

        There's a fundamental conflict of interest with a government promoting sales of companies. There are almost no real US companies left. What there are is big contributors to political campaigns. The USG has done a very poor job in protecting real US interests, and a very good job in generating excess profits for corporations.  

      •  I'm sorry but diplomats should be doing (1+ / 0-)
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        things other than pushing corporate interests. The same article said that the global market for planes is split 50/50 between those two companies. Now we have to negotiate bullshit with world leaders in order to get our companies favor? Where does it end?

        "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

        by cedar park on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 07:54:35 PM PST

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        •  I don't know. (0+ / 0-)

          Ask Hannity.

          I'm done here.

          Sorry to intrude.

          It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

          by Fishgrease on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 07:58:36 PM PST

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          •  not one person said you intruded. (1+ / 0-)
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            Having a discussion is part of the deal here, as you know.

            "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

            by cedar park on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 08:02:15 PM PST

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            •  Is comparing me to Sean friggin Hannity (2+ / 0-)
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              part of the deal? That's a blatant insult, man. You had a chance to take that back. You didn't, and I'll not overlook it.

              You've become like Colonel Nicholson in The Bridge on the River Kwai, cedar park.

              One hopes you realize that before he did.

              It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

              by Fishgrease on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 08:19:08 PM PST

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              •  You are correct that I should not have said (4+ / 0-)
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                that. And I am sorry.

                But, my point still stands in our discussion.

                My bad.

                "Sad songs are nature's onions."-Mr. Show

                by cedar park on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 08:51:52 PM PST

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                •  Thank you. (4+ / 0-)
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                  I would expect your point to stand. It's perfectly valid. I don't agree with it, because, for instance, a lot of Boeing's payroll is Union and I don't want them to fail any more than I did GM. Certainly not right now.

                  But your general point about corporate excess, like, in general, is sound as can be.

                  Awhile back, someone with Wikileaks said they would release the "bad with the good". In other words, they wouldn't filter by how each release makes anyone look.

                  I think, on the whole, this one was part of the good.

                  It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                  by Fishgrease on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 09:01:50 PM PST

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                  •  Boeing and Caterpillar are creating lots of jobs (1+ / 0-)
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                    Just not in the US...

                    The trade-off is jobs. Like many companies, Boeing is moving work to China, too.

                    A third of all Boeing planes have parts and assemblies built in China, and contracts worth $600 million in 787 parts will have been awarded there, Boeing says.

                    www.bushwatch.net - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

                    by chuckvw on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 09:36:53 PM PST

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                    •  Not enough information there. (1+ / 0-)
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                      A third of all Boeing planes have parts and assemblies built in China, and contracts worth $600 million in 787 parts will have been awarded there, Boeing says.

                      What percentage of parts for that third of planes? Is it a radio knob or a wing? Makes a big difference. Looking at the rest of that paragraph, I'd guess it isn't much. $600 million on the entire new fleet of 787s is very small. That might cover carpet and paneling on the interior of some 787s, but not all of them.

                      Compare that to the percentage of parts made outside the USA on any 2011 motor vehicle and it's almost nothing.

                      It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                      by Fishgrease on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 10:47:12 PM PST

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                      •  There's plenty of information out there (3+ / 0-)
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                        Chinese workers making $3 a dayare responsible for quality assurance on major wing and tail assemblies for the 787...

                        Boeing CEO, Jim McNerny is signalling his intention to move a substantial part of the fabrication and design offshore, mostly to China.

                        We folks in Seattle are particularly sensitive to the fact that Boeing facilities are being offshored or moved to nonunion states.

                        It's great for the shareholders, senior management and Wall Street, and will therefore be declared a resoundingly savvy business strategy by all the wise villagers.

                        www.bushwatch.net - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

                        by chuckvw on Sun Jan 02, 2011 at 11:17:04 PM PST

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                        •  Yes. Now, that is sufficient information. (2+ / 0-)
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                          And please allow me to say I'm against Boeing or Cat or any other American concern shipping as much as one single job anywhere outside this country. It is precisely there that I most agree with cedar park's distaste for corporations, though not only there.

                          But, our making 2/3rds of each 787 here in the  States, certainly warrants my applauding any diplomat getting off his or her pampered ass and doing real work in facilitating the sale of those aircraft overseas.

                          Even moreso when you consider it is difficult to purchase an American flag that is truely 2/3rds of American origin.

                          It rubs the loofah on its skin or else it gets the falafel again.

                          by Fishgrease on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 03:03:01 AM PST

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