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  •  What I don't understand (7+ / 0-)

    is why any elected official would vote for this.

    Why should I be bound by what Ryan wants with no say in the matter? This hamstrings other Republicans as much as it hamstrings the Democratic members.

    And if I'm a freakin' Tea Party representative why would I give up one of my major public relations platforms.

    •  Because it's a scam. They are not fiscal conserva (11+ / 0-)

      They don't give a damn about the Tea Party.

      This is about the Republican agenda of increasing wealth for the top 1% of Americans and preserving wealth for those same people.

      They are being given the chance to duck the issue, and place blame elsewhere. That's all Republicans ever need in elections.

      Don't make me meta. You wouldn't like me when I meta.

      by mungley on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 09:05:29 AM PST

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      •  right (4+ / 0-)
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        Nobody believes that Republicans care about the deficit – they care about tax cuts that force spending cuts.

        Ryan Rules

        Once adopted, an across-the-board cut to 2008 levels would entail severe reductions in important and popular programs like Pell Grants and federal highway funding.

        25 hedge fund managers are worth 658,000 teachers. ~ Les Leopold

        by anyname on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 09:36:37 AM PST

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        •  The cut backs yes, (0+ / 0-)

          but some of these guys really did run ultra conservative. So much that the regular Republicans aren't good enough. They go along, they just lost that advantage with the electorate. They fight the good fight and lose, that OTH is a winner for them which targets the GOP leadership.

          Agreeing to this just means shooting their own feet, and capitulation to Boehner. They supposedly want all the power, why cede one iota of it without a very visible fight.

          The kabuki works better for them, if they fight it. In the "I can't do it alone, I'm fighting the good fight, you can see me fighting the good fight, but I need allies. Boehner is the problem, King is the problem, not me" manner.

    •  Because their leadership says to. (3+ / 0-)
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      Plus, it's bundled up with all kinds of good things, like the rule that says you have to write down something from the Constitution and submit it along with your bill! So you see, that's awesome and stuff!

    •  The ones pushing this DO NOT CARE about (0+ / 0-)

      any actual real world effects of what they do. Hamstring other Republicans? They're not Tea Party so they're not really Republicans, no matter what the ballot line said. the Tea Party is already on TV threatening primaries and holding Rs accountable, so it may be they forget about what they were sent to DC to do, vague though that is, and instead cut their sails to deal with election risk two years out, from the right.

      Is this what Dick Armey wanted out of all this, and why he is no longer an elected? It would be darkly humorous if they got rid of him for extremism and then have to look at him basically controlling the House from outside it, totally and completely unaccountable.

      And Paul Ryan's time being called anything other than TYRANT is limited to the next few days.

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