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    •  How long? (6+ / 0-)
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      texasmom, boofdah, Philpm, ER Doc, Lujane, Ana Thema

      Yes, Hispanics are a growing group, and they tend to vote Dem. But we got creamed this time. How long till we don't? Even allowing for the inevitable gerrymandering. What do you think?

    •  Oh, all right. If you need help, ask. If (6+ / 0-)

      you give up, we can find you a decent state to live in.

      You're right, I don't understand. I spent twenty years in Texas one night and I'm not even black, I'm Chinese. Scary!

      Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?" Priest: "No, not if you did not know." Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?" (TEMP SIG LINE)

      by MinistryOfLove on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 09:59:15 AM PST

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      •  Where in Texas? (5+ / 0-)

        You would have different experiences in any number of places in such a large state - just like in California.

        What many people don't seem to get is that much of this is an urban versus rural divide (although there are also GOP-dominated suburbs in any state that vote that way for reasons somewhat different than the rural areas).

        Texas has the largest rural population by size in the U.S., and among large states it's also one of the largest percentages, at around 14%:

        Which agrees with the USDA estimate:

        California by comparison is 8% rural by their Rural Health Policy Council estimate (which may simply be counting population within "rural" counties as all being rural?):

        But only 2% by the USDA estimate which presumably has more specific data to work with:

        New York is 8%:

        Florida is about 7%:

        A pattern emerges for each of these states in any election.  Take the recent 2010 Governor elections:



        The Texas Governor map looks a lot like the Texas 2008 Presidential election map, where Obama drew 3.5 Million voters - which by the way came in only behind California (8.3 Million), New York (4.8 Million) and Florida (4.3 Million):

        When you look at maps like this, you also get to take into account that Texas' major cities (which also include the 4th, 7th, 9th, 15th, 17th, and 22nd largest cities in the U.S. - 6 of the largest 34 cities in the U.S. with over 500,000 population, versus only 4 California cities) elect Democrats as Mayors pretty much like clockwork:

        Houston - Annise Parker (D)
        San Antonio - Julian Castro (D)
        Dallas - Tom Leppert (R) (his predecessor was a Democrat)
        Austin - Lee Leffingwell (D)
        Fort Worth - Mike Moncrief (D)
        El Paso - John Cook (D)

        But it's easy to simply paint several million people with broad brush strokes and claim they can find a "safe haven" in states, about half of which have smaller total populations than Texas has Democrats who voted last time around.

        There are 13 million registered voters in Texas:

        Estimates tend to split Republicans and Democrats fairly evenly among voters, with about 38% or 39% each, and about 20% independent:

        Which means a pretty sizable population of perhaps 5 Million registered Democrats.

        Of course, they have families.  To make it simple, let's just apply the same proportions to Texas' 25 Million population, and we come up with about 9.5 Million Texans who need to find a new state.

        Oregon seems pretty cool.  That's about the same population as Oregon and Washington combined (and both states only voted 57% for Obama in 2008, so it's not like they're overwhelmingly Democratic strongholds - given that they only went 52% for Kerry in 2004 despite Bush's first-term performance).

        So we'll just double the population of Washington and Oregon, primarily moving into the couple of big cities (Seattle and Portland) and handful of small ones (Eugene, Corvallis, Spokane, etc.)

        I've no doubt that any state would be happy to absorb 9.5 Million Texas Democrats.

        Or it could just be a bunch of empty bloviating from people who don't understand that rural and urban areas tend to vote differently in any state, which can be pretty confusing when demographics are never really considered.

        •  Damn right, cappy: Texas (1+ / 0-)
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          is a variable ...

          and much of it is absolutely wonderful.

          Sadly, the most dedicated voters are apparently the other side's apostles.

          LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

          by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 01:30:28 PM PST

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          •  Having lived there for 6 looooong years, (1+ / 0-)
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            I'd have to disagree strongly and say there are NO absolutely wonderful parts, save for the Chisos mountains. The Hill Country is interesting and Austin can be fun. Parts of the Gulf coast- if you can get past the stupid rednecks (who is the no. 1 problem with Texas anywhere) are ok.

            There, that's it.

            •  What "Gulf Coast" population of stupid rednecks? (2+ / 0-)
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              Texas became majority-minority in 2005 - in case you missed it:



              And the Anglo proportion of the population continues to decline.

              San Antonio and Houston are often featured as among the most integrated and racially diverse cities in the U.S.:


              Latino population density is also among its highest across the majority of the Gulf Coast, and only higher in the border with Mexico:


              Immigrants with limited English proficiency also predominate in the Gulf Coast and pretty far inland:


              Houston (nation's 4th largest city and considered "Gulf Coast" as well as containing 10% of the entire state population) is 42% Latino, only 28% Anglo, and 22% Black:


              But I guess if you spent a lot of time in Vidor (population about 11,000 and 95% Anglo):


              You might come away with a different impression of the "Gulf Coast."

              Claiming the "Gulf Coast" is overrun with stupid rednecks is a pretty big stretch, unless by "overrun" you mean "they are way in the minority."

              According to the U.S. Census, 75.7% of Texans have a high school diploma, compared with 80.4% U.S. average but a similarly low 76.8% in California:



              Lest you translate that as "stupid rednecks," you need to be familiar with high school graduation rates by demographic.  The Anglo graduation rate is quite high, but Texas (like California and the other Southwest states) has a big problem with graduation rates for Latinos which each state is trying to address.

              Your stereotypes overlook facts.  Just because I once fixed a toilet doesn't make me a plumber.  Do a little research and quit letting a little ugly get in the way of seeing a bigger picture.

              That makes as much sense as someone claiming that everyone in California is like the stereotypical "San Franciscan" or everyone in New York state is like a stereotypical loudmouthed Manhattan banker.

              •  good on ya, cappy, for keeping up the fight AND (1+ / 0-)
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                bringing the facts.

                I get so sick of the Texas bashing here it reduces me to profanities.

                LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

                by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 06:00:33 PM PST

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        •  ANNISE PARKER: OUT LESBIAN PARENT... (1+ / 0-)
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, which one of the librul elite cities on the right or left coast with a population in the top 20 can make such a claim?

          ok, that's not fair...what other city in the WHOLE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in the top 20 most populous can claim a glbt mayor?

          gosh, we're just so backwards we texans. harumph.

          "we don't get ourselves dry cleaned." ~ barney frank, in response to the twit asking him about teh ebil gay military showers

          by liberaldemdave on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 03:40:26 PM PST

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    •  voroki, gdalpert, "ministry of love" -- FUCK YOU. (2+ / 0-)
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      cardinal, cappy

      We're trying to make Texas a better place.
      You're not helping. SHUT UP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HELP.

      LBJ & Lady Bird, Sully Sullenberger, Molly Ivins, Barbara Jordan, Ann Richards, Drew Brees: Texas is No Bush League! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 11:06:02 AM PST

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