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  •  Sources, please? (0+ / 0-)

    I've not heard this scenario before either. That said, I'm not sure that even if it's true, it really says all that much beyond a simple recognition of an existing fact. Like it or not, Davis was president of the Confederacy--and as such, the Church was going to have to deal with him on matters regarding Catholics living within its borders. The Church also signed a Concordat with Hitler for exactly the same reason--doesn't mean they agreed with each and every one of his policies, as Pius XI made abundantly clear in his 1937 encyclical (written four years after the Concordat was signed), Mit brennender Sorge.

    •  Sources (0+ / 0-)

      The letter was written. There is certainly room to debate what the Pope's intent was in addressing Davis with that formal title.
      http://books.google.com/...

      Whatever his intent, the South made quite a big deal of the apparently official recognition.

      On further exploration, it does also seem that the crown of thorns story was exaggerated, with the Pope sending only a picture and message (the crown may have been the creation of Davis' wife)

      [F]amily Bible, given by Jefferson Davis to his wife Varina Jefferson Davis, with his written indorsement to that effect, and one from Mrs. Davis, presenting it to Memorial Hall; pciture of Pope Pius IX (framed), with an autograph and a Latin sentence inscribed on it by his holiness, bearing his seal, and certified to by Cardinal Barnabo Pref. (The Pope sent this picture to Jefferson Davis while a prisoner at Fortress Monroe.  Accompanying the picture is a crown of thorns, made by Mrs. Davis, that hung above it in Mr. Davis’s study[.]

      http://cwmemory.com/...

      •  Um, yeah (0+ / 0-)

        Total mischaracterization on your part.

        From your link, the following is clear:

        1. The letter from the pope is a reply to a letter sent to him by President Davis.
        1. It can in no realistic sense be characterized as a "recognition" of the Confederacy.
        1. It follows letters previously written by the pope to the bishops of New York and New Orleans, apparently (judging from comments made in both Davis's letter to the pope, and the pope's reply) encouraging them to encourage their respective peoples--and, presumably, governments--to work toward the end of the war.

        A transcript of the pope's letter:

        Illustrious and honorable president: Salutation.

        We have just received, with all suitable welcome, the persons sent by you to place in our hands your letter, dated twenty-third of September last. Not slight was the pleasure we experienced when we learned, from these persons and the letter, with what feelings of joy and gratitude you were animated, illustrious and honorable President, as soon as you were informed of our letters to our venerable brothers, John, Archbishop of New-York, and John, Archbishop of New-Orleans, dated the eighteenth of October of last year, and in which we have, with all our strength, excited and exhorted these venerable brothers that in their episcopal piety and solicitude they should endeavor, with the most ardent zeal, and in our name, to bring about the end of the fatal civil war which has broken out in those countries, in order that the American people may obtain peace and concord, and dwell charitably together. It is particularly agreeable to us to see that you, illustrious and honorable President, and your people, are animated with the same desires of peace and tranquility which we have in our letters inculcated upon our venerable brothers. May it please God at the same time to make the other peoples of America and their rulers, reflecting seriously how terrible is civil war, and what calamities it engenders, listen to the inspirations of a calmer spirit, and adopt resolutely the part of peace. As for us, we shall not cease to offer up the most fervent prayers to God Almighty that he may pour out upon all the peoples of America the spirit of peace and charity, and that he will stop the great evils which afflict them. We, at the same time, beseech the God of mercy and pity to shed abroad upon you the light of his grace, and attach you to us by a perfect friendship.

        Given at Rome, at St. Peter's, the third of December, in the year of our Lord 1863, of our Pontificate 18.

        Pius IX.

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