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  •  Etsy is not a online vendor of greeting cards (24+ / 0-)

    It is a site where home crafters sell their creations.

    One jackass does not make this site offensive. The same is true for Etsy. I know a few crafters who sell good stuff on Etsy.

    Complain about the jackass. Don't blame Etsy.

    look for my DK Greenroots diary series Thursday evening. "It's the planet, stupid."

    by FishOutofWater on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:01:09 PM PST

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    •  See my comment downthread. (4+ / 0-)

      When they take the initiative to get this garbage off their site, I'll agree with you. Etsy is facilitating this jackass's work. They bear the responsibility for it.

      "That kind of ignorant must hurt." -- Mrs. Max on teabaggers

      by Black Max on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:02:21 PM PST

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      •  Here's a typical page listing vendors (17+ / 0-)

        http://www.etsy.com/...

        However here's what you write:

        Etsy, an online vendor of greeting cards, has a new card offering.

        I think what you wrote isn't accurate.

        Most of the vendors have nice friendly products. There's one jackass. Complain about that jackass. Don't make false statements about Etsy.

        look for my DK Greenroots diary series Thursday evening. "It's the planet, stupid."

        by FishOutofWater on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:08:09 PM PST

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        •  I'll leave the defense of Etsy to the Etsy folks (2+ / 0-)
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          meanwhile, I'll keep pressuring them to take this garbage down. I don't give a damn if 99% of their offerings are from happy smiley people, they are responsible for realizing what's festering on their site and get it the hell off.

          "That kind of ignorant must hurt." -- Mrs. Max on teabaggers

          by Black Max on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:14:56 PM PST

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          •  I completely understand your outrage here, (6+ / 0-)

            but you need to chill out. FOoW is right: pressure Etsy to take it down.

            It's pretty simple.

            Progressives waiting only serves conservatives. -- bruh1

            by Colorado is the Shiznit on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:19:04 PM PST

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            •  Dude, that's what I've been saying (3+ / 0-)
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              all along. Let me go "purge" the diary of anything that might get people's knickers in a twist about Etsy.

              I still want to know if Etsy just lets anyone post anything for sale on its site (an insane policy just begging for abuse), or if they knew this was coming and let it through (an unforgivable choice).

              "That kind of ignorant must hurt." -- Mrs. Max on teabaggers

              by Black Max on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:23:59 PM PST

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                •  You are so right. (3+ / 0-)
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                  Let's take a look at some of the content.

                  We expect all members of Etsy (including Etsy's staff) to treat each other with respect and kindness. Remember that behind every username is a real person with feelings. Your username on Etsy is your identity. You are responsible for your conduct and all content submitted under your username on Etsy.

                  By joining Etsy, you agree to abide by the policies outlined here and in our Terms of Use.

                  Ah, the Terms of Use. Let's look.

                  More after I pore over this.

                  "That kind of ignorant must hurt." -- Mrs. Max on teabaggers

                  by Black Max on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:41:20 PM PST

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                •  Terms of Use: Etsy (3+ / 0-)
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                  No, they don't prescreen, but allow anyone to post anything. Wow. Nor do they take responsibility for the security or the validity of the transaction. Basically, they're just a big posterboard facility.

                  Etsy reserves the right to refuse service to anyone, for any reason, at any time.

                  Useful, if generic.

                  By listing an item on the Site you warrant that you and all aspects of the item comply with Etsy's published policies.

                  Also quite generic.

                  Now we're getting to it.

                  Your Content and your use of Etsy shall not:

                  Be defamatory, trade libelous, unlawfully threatening, unlawfully harassing, impersonate or intimidate any person (including Etsy staff or other users), or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with any person, through for example, the use of similar email address, nicknames, or creation of false account(s) or any other method or device.

                  Be obscene or contain child pornography.

                  Hmmm, nothing directly applicable, though I think you could argue that this card could "unlawfully harass" rape victims (you could also argue the opposite).

                  Etsy does not control the Content provided by users that is made available on Etsy. You may find some Content to be offensive, harmful, inaccurate, or deceptive. There are also risks of dealing with underage persons or people acting under false pretense.

                  Wow, they really are giving themselves some wiggle room.

                  I understand the wide latitude they need to give themselves for artistic expression. I also understand that they can choose to remove this item. I'm saying that they should do it.

                  "That kind of ignorant must hurt." -- Mrs. Max on teabaggers

                  by Black Max on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:47:27 PM PST

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                  •  Etsy is kind of like a crafters'/artists' Ebay (1+ / 0-)
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                    ... where everything is for the "Buy It Now" price.  (IOW, no bidding.)  Everything has to be handmade, vintage, or supplies (i.e., yarn, stones, buttons, etc.).

                    Etsy makes use of Feedback to make sure vendors fairly represent their work and actually send it.  I actually bought something from someone who one or two of the reviewers claimed had never sent their items -- because there were literally hundreds of positive reviews saying they had.  (I assume the disgruntled people had their mail stolen.)

                    Point being, Etsy is a positive thing for small-time seamstresses, jewelers, crafters, artists, woodworkers, potters, etc.  Those selling there run the gamut from artisans who make a full-time living at those pursuits, to amateurs supplementing their income, to people looking to make a few bucks from grandma's jewelry or yard-sale finds.

                    Should they be lobbied about this seller?  Sure!  But please don't condemn them for allowing his existence so far.  That'd be like condemning Kos for a troll diary.  (He only opened his shop in October, and there are at least tens of thousands of shops on Etsy.)

                    My comments may not be used for any purpose without explicit permission.

                    by cai on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 03:14:54 AM PST

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          •  There's a button on each Etsy product page (6+ / 0-)

            to report offensive products.

            I suggest you use it.

            Full disclosure: I am an Etsy vendor, and the funds I earn from my product sales are important to me.

            resent having the whole site slammed for one bad apple, especially when there is a procedure for reporting products - not to mention the gross misrepresentation of the site as a whole that you have displayed.

            "If we work in unity, we will achieve our goal." ~ Aung San Suu Kyi

            by jan4insight on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:54:50 PM PST

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            •  I have edited the diary. (3+ / 0-)
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              As another poster has said, Etsy takes a commission off of what it sells. Therefore they are responsible for this just as the vendor is. I have no interest in running Etsy out of business. I do have an interest in making them understand that this level of hate speech is not "artistic expression," but a way to get in some hate against women in an unusual format. You should, also, as your wares are shoulder to shoulder with his.

              "That kind of ignorant must hurt." -- Mrs. Max on teabaggers

              by Black Max on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 06:58:58 PM PST

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              •  Then talk to Etsy admin about it. (5+ / 0-)
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                They have a forum, you know, as well as a contact link and a report button.

                Complaining about it on another does sound like you're trying to slander their reputation. Go directly to the people you have the problem with!

                "If we work in unity, we will achieve our goal." ~ Aung San Suu Kyi

                by jan4insight on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 07:10:18 PM PST

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                •  You, as a seller have a vested interest in (1+ / 0-)
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                  having this seller pulled. If Etsy doesn't pull the seller, won't every seller be seen as accepting this trash?

                  •  On the contrary (3+ / 0-)
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                    My wife sells art on Etsy that some folks will regard as patently offensive, because it deals in topics of esoteric spirituality (which about one-quarter of Americans will translate as "Satanism").

                    If she as a vendor goes after this guy based on your theory, why shouldn't other vendors, by the exact same token, go after my wife?

                    You and the diarist insist that you're not demanding that Etsy vendors go back to bunnies and flowers, but there is a chilling effect in what you suggest that eventually does lead right back to bunnies and flowers.

                    (This is entirely aside from the fact that censorship campaigns -- even if one does not call them such -- almost always backfire these days, and end up promoting the target.)

                    •  THANK YOU! (2+ / 0-)
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                      As a seller, I just had some posters on this thread start telling me what I should be doing about this, and where my vested interests lie - this, from someone who didn't even know what Etsy is until corrected here.

                      The last thing I want to do as a seller is start calling out other sellers - that kind of karma can come around real fast, and I do not want to get in the middle of someone else's pie fight - especially on a site that is one of my income generators!

                      "If we work in unity, we will achieve our goal." ~ Aung San Suu Kyi

                      by jan4insight on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 09:56:51 PM PST

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            •  Please let Etsy know you want that seller (1+ / 0-)
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              pulled. Another seller reporting this will have more weight You can also email the support team. Have you done either?

          •  of course you will (0+ / 0-)

            It's about time I changed my signature.

            by Khun David on Mon Jan 03, 2011 at 09:11:52 PM PST

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