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  •  If you wouldn't want it for yourself (1+ / 0-)
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    eglantine

    how can you want it for anyone else ?

    That is called hypocrasy.

        Standing for justice and accountability,
                 For Dan,
                 Heather

    Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.

    by Chacounne on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 10:08:03 AM PST

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    •  You mean hypocrisy? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't agree. I believe that I have the right to vote in US elections; I don't believe that Somalians do. There is no hypocrisy in ascribing certain rights to citizens and not to non-citizens. You can argue that non-citizens SHOULD have the same rights, but there is no inconsistency in denying them rights that we specifically have granted to citizens.

      I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

      by doc2 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 11:33:48 AM PST

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      •  Yes, I committed a typo ... forgive me (1+ / 0-)
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        There is MUCH hypocrisy in not wanting justice, which is what real trials would be, for other real live human beings when you would want it for yourself.

               Standing for justice and accountability,
                         For Dan,
                         Heather

        Torture is ALWAYS wrong, no matter who is doing it to whom.

        by Chacounne on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 12:20:02 PM PST

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        •  We here in the US have decided on a set (0+ / 0-)

          of rights that we want to enjoy when our government charges us with a crime. That is our legal framework. These individuals are NOT part of the negotiation. They are foreigners, and do not benefit from laws written specifically to protect citizens. They are not legally entitled to the same right to trial by jury, the 4th Amendment, etc. You may be arguing that you think they SHOULD get these rights, but they do not have them. That is really not even in contention.

          I'm in the I-fucking-love-this-guy wing of the Democratic Party!

          by doc2 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 at 01:15:47 PM PST

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          •  Singapore (0+ / 0-)

            Y'know, I remember when that dumb kid got arrested in Singapore - I don't remember his name. He was tried and convicted, and the sentence included a caning, which freaked a lot of people out. But, as I recall, there was nothing that the U.S. could really do aside from diplomatic and media pressure. He committed a crime against the people of Singapore, and regardless of his status as a foreigner, Singapore law applied.

            Likewise, anybody who commits a crime in, or against, the United States is subject to American law - including the Constitution. So yes, the detainees at Gitmo are entitled to certain protections. The Geneva Conventions may also apply.

            Helpful reading:
            http://www.yaliberty.org/...

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